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Pinkie_pie said:
Bandorr said:

This thread is starting to feel toxic.
Who is outselling who and when etc isn't relevant at all.
The discussion should be fairly simple. Do you like them? Is your objection to the "achievement" or the settings.

An achievement popping up during a cut scene can be annoying/ruin the tension. It can also be an odd spoiler by name or the fact you did something special.
They are also fun to collect etc.

So have the debate be about if you want them, and how you'd want them to work. Not about system A being system B.

It all started with the guy who thinks Nintendo doesn't need it simply because they are the market leader. I'm guessing Nintendo fans don't find complacency to be bad

If anyone in the industry is complacent, it's not Nintendo. The fact that you and other people here seem to believe that is why these toxic disucssions happen.

It's not that Nintendo needs help or needs to evolve, it's that you people subjectively want Nintendo to be more like something familiar to you, so you make these ill-advised topics that have no bearing on reality.

Nintendo don't need your help or advice, believe it or not. They're doing fine. Nintendo have already proven they're at their best when they ignore popular trends and do whatever they want.