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JRPGfan on 31 December 2024
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Runa216 said:
JRPGfan said:

All that would be okay... if games didn't cost a fortune to make, and if they don't sell well, the company that made them, risk closure.

So yes, its great there are games that appeal to say "gay black trans women" (the example you used).
However, if the bigger part of the public, don't want a game, that appeals to "gay black trans women" (as they aren't that, and cant identify with it), that is a issue.

Because
1) people are not getting what they want (and the consumer, is always right.... ei. things won't sell well otherwise). Which sucks for the majority.
Great for that 1 gay black trans guy, that loves the game though (as you point out) (but how many of them are buying games?).

2) AAA games, cannot take, appealing to a minority, if it kills sales.
Look at something like Concord/suicide squad kill the justice league..., next to Marvel Rivals. This woke stuff, doesn't appeal to enough people

Some "old greats" studios like Bioware, is now at risk of closing down.
Ubisoft, could also fall apart....  and they both bet everything on going super woke, with their upcoming games.
What happends if Mass effect and the new Assasins Creeds, sales are bad? Bioware cannot take another Dragon Age Veilguard with sales (people are saying).
Ubisoft apparently bleed like 1.5bn in 2024, or something crazy like that.
They dropped like 85%+ of the shares value as a company.   Assasin Creeds Shadows flops... and its over potentially for them.

So while the anti-woke might want to see what they deem too woke, doing poorly  (if you don't like something, why support it?).
I think most overall want the best for companies. They want them to make great games, that appeal to the masses, and sell well.

Meanwhile the woke side, is cheering on all this stuff, that appeals to a tiny minority of people, even if its potentially hurting sales.
Its going to lead to companies closing down.  Ei. the market will contract/shrink = less games for everyone.

what are you talking about? None of this post is rooted in reality. I genuinely don't even know what to argue against because it genuinely feels like you do not live in the same objective reality as I do and you're working backwards to construct a fantasy that justifies your conclusion. 

Straw Man.

I was legitimately going to go down every paragraph you wrote and ask why you felt that way or why you felt it mattered (like seriously who cares what the game's budget is? Focus testing groups ruined the PS3 era and...exactly, just trying to contest this one point has me trying to do a deep-dive on why it doesn't matter and ain't nobody got time for that), but my eyes glazed over when I Realized exactly what I Was worried about in a previous post. One small foolish statement needs like five paragraphs explaining why it's five steps removed from reality. 

You're sincerely just making things up and presenting your fantasy version of reality to justify your stance. I cannot correct that. The statements you're making just don't fit with reality. The claims your making are not based on facts. nobody can argue with that. 

IF you don't want to see diversity in representation, then fine. Play Baldur's Gate as a straight white human. You're allowed to do that. Buy Call of Duty. You're allowed to do that. you don't have to chose trans pronouns or engage with queer relationships in games, and even if a game is explicitly queer, you're free to just not buy it. You're free to only buy games that match your very narrow view of what is acceptable. There are always going to be dozens of traditional games. 

And I repeat from earlier (maybe not in response to you in particular), if you actually cared about shifting trends and actually cared about the direction of the medium you would just be voting with your wallet, not ranting about it online. Voting with your wallet gives the message 'this is what I Want, and this is what I will support' while ranting about it and aggressively screaming about wokeness sends a message of 'not only do I not want this but this shouldn't be allowed'.

Which is the difference. You rant because you want to send a message and because you want to silence voices of those who don't cater to you. Instead of...you know, letting the rest of us who DO want that sort of thing to be able to support it. I DO want queer representation. I DO want nonbinary terms and weird niche shit in games even if it's not for me. How dare you act like I'm wrong for that or the developers are wrong for accepting that I and others like me want those games. 

Seriously, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Unironically that's what most people do (like 2/3rds) (if we ignore dragon born, for its special).

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/baldurs-gate-3-most-popular-races-classes/

human, half-elf, elf... are the most popular picks by far.  People play as normal looking straight white humans... or as close to as possible.


"you should be ashamed of yourself"

That's just more name calling.
You disagree with someones view point, and say they should be ashamed of themselves? really?



"You're sincerely just making things up and presenting your fantasy version of reality to justify your stance. I cannot correct that. The statements you're making just don't fit with reality. The claims your making are not based on facts."

Ubisoft 4-5years ago, had a stock value of 85 euro pr share.
Today their stock value pr share is barely above 12 euro pr share.
They lost alot of value as a company.
They spent a fortune on making games, this year.

Bioware, is at risk..... how is that made up? They made like 3-4 flops in a row.... EA has a graveyard of studios they killed, for not being profitable enough.
If Mass Effect isn't profitable, they could be closed down.

"while ranting about it and aggressively screaming about wokeness sends a message of 'not only do I not want this but this shouldn't be allowed'."

I think the problem is we view wokeness as different things.
There has long been representation in video games.  You can't act like its a new thing there are women, black characters ect in games.
Even gay or lesbian characters,.... that stuff has been around forever.

I don't even say that it shouldn't be allowed.... I'm saying when woke goes in overdrive,.... its killing studios.
Because it does not appeal to enough people.  While the masses are let down, by the effects it has on games.

Seriously look at the character designs in concord, that cames from DEI/woke policies.
The public rejected it, they didn't like the characters.  Stuff like that has consequences.
The studio is now closed, and people were let go... and Sony lost like 400m on it.

Basically this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzbqav7eDZs

Last edited by JRPGfan - on 31 December 2024