Revisiting The Last of Us: Part II

[epicurean]

SvennoJ said:

epicurean said:

He didn't view her as his daughter when he took the assignment, and didn't know the procedure was going to kill her till he found documents at the facility. You're really trying to say a father doesn't care for his kid if he risks putting them under anesthesia? That's the case you're going with? I also didn't think Abby saw her father die as you seem to be implying. Abby certainly tortured Joel to death, though.

Obviously we aren't going to agree here, so be it. 

I'm not saying that at all. I said he should have found out the risks beforehand, as any father would. Especially putting your child up for the equivalent of a drug trial. There was nothing wrong with Ellie.

And I said 'seeing her father murdered' as opposed to watching her father get murdered. Not implying she witnessed the crime, she found her father dead in the operating room.

Abby certainly didn't give Joel a quick death, there are no innocents here. Joel, Ellie, Abby and the rest of the cast.

Imo Joel was fighting to save his own life. He couldn't stand the thought of losing his new surrogate daughter.

I think ultimately we're mostly in agreement. In my original post I said I struggled with part 2 because I couldnt connect with Ellie or Abby. I think you at least agree they are...not great (broken?) people. What impressed me in the first game was how I struggled with Joel's decision in the end. I never struggled with whether Abby was righteous or not, or whether I would have done what she was doing. Maybe others did....or maybe they dont need to connect the way I wanted to. In the end, I just didnt get any satisfaction or moral purpose from the 2nd game. It just felt like a lot of hate, from everyone. I think they were trying to show that Ellie was stopping the cycle, but it didn't feel like an earned decision based on the events leading up to it, and even with it, didn't feel redemptive in any way.

Anyway, if you loved it, glad you did. I was glad to get out of that world, though.