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SvennoJ on 17 December 2024
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firebush03 said:
SvennoJ said:

You skipped half the story... That all comes out during the second half.

But indeed, it's still a video game with a stupid kill count for action sake.

maybe i should clarify...I understand Abby's intentions in killing Joel (i actly looked up "Abby TLoU1?" when Joel was killed at the start of the game to see if I was just forgetting who this person was, just to learn abt how her dad was killed at the hands of Joel). What I'm saying is that it I don't believe it was very well executed. Idk how to write stories, so im not gonna act like i do, but i felt it was a little odd that some random person who hadn't even appeared in the first game was the one who got their vengence on Joel. It's been a year since i last played...but was there really nobody they could've used as seeking vengence? I appreciate the decision to stray away from Part One, but it feels just a bit too detatched at times.

Being that you've finished the game, I'm curious: Is there much else worth seeing in Abby's portion of the game? All it comes off as to me is an attempt to make the player feel sympathy for these characters who killed Joel, and drill the beaten-to-death theme of moral amibiguity. (Is Ellie or Abby more justified? Are neither justified? Etc.)

Well part of it is a flashback of the hospital encounter in Tlou1, the missing part.

Full of spoilers duh :)



It also gives more fuel to Joel's point of view, confirming they knew Ellie would not survive the surgery. Yet Ellie said she was prepared for that, willing to make that sacrifice. Hence she feels 'lost' in part 2. She lost her purpose and the one person she learned to trust lied to her and betrayed her.

For video games, moral ambiguity is not a beaten-to-death theme at all. It's a brave move by ND to dive into the world of greys instead of keeping it black and white. No hero vs villains like any other video game. Sure some games have a sequence with some moral ambiguity, but I can't think of any other game where it's the central theme, while showing the story from 2 different perspectives.

I'm curious what did you initially think of the ending of TloU part 1? I lost respect for Joel at the end, although he was kinda not given the choice. But then lying about it to Ellie, what an ass. The rift between Ellie and Joel in part 2 felt fully justified.

Btw, you don't have to kill all those 'extras', you can sneak by and leave them be. I've been sneaking by many encounters on my second play-through. So it's up to the player to be a mass murderer ;) (But then I start shooting for fun when my inventory is full, it's still a game!)