Russia and Ukraine flashpoint

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Bofferbrauer2 said:

crissindahouse said:

This whole discussion is so stupid. If the West would try and REALLY support Ukraine, then Russia would be out of Ukraine in a few months. So Slovakia is kind of correct that the West could eventually backstab Ukraine and Ukraine will be forced to give up territory because it doesn't look as if the West is willing to do more. But Russia itself isn't the problem. They are not undefeatable or anything. They are pretty much the opposite of that. They are really weak as we can see since years. Winning a little territory every week against a country which doesn't get what they need to fight back isn't showing a powerful nation.

So, would there be "peace" if the West would help Ukraine to kick Russia out of Ukraine? Maybe not, maybe there wouldn't be a peace agreement even without any Russian on Ukrainian land but who cares? They wouldn't be in Ukraine anymore, call it peace or war if the outcome is the same...

Russia can say they are at war with the West for the next 100 years if they want to. If no Russian soldier would harm anyone anymore outside Russia it wouldn't be a difference. 

Russia has build so many fortification lines and tons of mines that slow down any advance to a crawl unless you're willing to send thousands of soldiers to their deaths by clearing the minefields with the method of stepping on them. Just look what happened with the 2023 Ukrainian counteroffensive and how it stalled due to this.

So no, even with the right weaponry it would take much longer to get the Russians out of Ukraine, especially in the south where they entrenched themselves behind those minefields. In the east it could be achieved more easily due to the constant advance of Russians making minefields useless, so reversing the trend will take time, doubly so as Ukraine is lacking soldiers, and without soldiers even the best weaponry can't do much.

Without equipment those soldiers and their trenches won't be worth a pile of crap.  Ukraine will also be making plenty of missiles within 4 or 6 months, and that could change things when every important rear ammo depot and command post no longer exists.   They may settle for peace, but Ukraine still has a chance to do enough damage to get a good deal once that takes place.