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Chazore said:

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

What's interesting is how are things lining up for Intel's new GPU. See when Nvidia launches the RTX 5000 series next month, they are only going to launch the 5090 and 5080. Then in the following months, they are going to launch 5070 Ti, 5070 and etc. So by the time Nvidia gets down to the $300sh price bracket with 5000 series, it will be 6 months to a year at least of when Intel won't have a new generation competition from Nvidia.

With Radeon, I think it will be similar but quicker response. I highly doubt they will be launching the B580 competitor from Radeon so soon when it comes to RDNA 4. I think Radeon will launch what is essentially a 70 class competitor to a 60 Ti class competitor. Then 4-6 months later, launch a competitor to B580s class.

So what it will look like in the coming months in terms of GPU launch is:

High end:
5090
5080
Mid range:
8800XT
8700XT
Low end:
B580
B570

Basically no direct competition from any manufacturer in terms of new gen gpu launch until later in the year. But of course keep in mind that both Nvidia/AMD can discount their current generation to compete against Intel's B580 if they want to.

Any news on if we're going to see super model rebrands?, or do you think Nvidia will stick to a few Ti variants to stave shave off the top like usual?. 

I'm hoping they do supers, because I've noticed that over time, thanks to their meddling with numbers on each line of an entire series, they also ended up mixing some supers in there, which over time, heavily dilutes their entire generation.

The more Nvidia dilutes their entire gens each time, the more confusing it becomes for consumers, and those making comparisons are obviously going to point us to 1-3 clear winners, which leaves other variants on the line as redundant, which would also give the competition better leeway into price+Perf ratios.

If Nvidia doesn't this gen and just has a few Ti's per line, then it'll make it a little bit tough for Intel and tougher for AMD (considering how they said this gen they won't be targeting high end, which leaves them to fight not only Nvidia, but also Intel in that market) to compete against Ti and non Ti models. You ideally want your competitor to either outright trip out the gate, or confuse their consumers to take a quick advantage.

Right now Nvidia has near complete mindshare, but that doesn't mean they can secure wins forever. The more they confuse with the more choices they provide (which will happen, we've not got the capacity/likeness to want more choices than above a certain threshold, we're just built like that mentally), the easier it could be for competitors to gain shreds of mindshare over time. 

I think they will do a "Super" refresh but really Nvidia is more so about getting bottlenecked by vram than performance/features. The 5070 Ti is supposed to come with 16GB of vram. If the price is reasonable, then I'd snag that or if they discount the 4070 Ti Super which also has 16GB of vram by like $150-$200 to get rid of stock, I'd snag that too. What I wouldn't do is buy a 5070 12GB over a 4070 Ti Super 16GB even if the 5070 is faster.

And yea, Ryzen has proven very well that mindshare won't be a thing forever in the cpu space by consumers. If Nvidia is seen as greedy and lacking in innovation while Intel or AMD is seen as the bang per buck with a lot of innovation, the market share will turn in their favor. With Radeon, yea they are cheaper but they lack the innovation that Nvidia brings. So they aren't seen as the Nvidia but cheaper. They are seen has the "Radeon is cheap because they lack Nvidia's innovations." Nvidia has Ai upscaling? Here's FSR that almost every reviewer calls garbage. Nvidia has Ray Tracing? Here's our attempt that is so pathetic that a B580 can beat a 7700XT in Cyberpunk. Here's Anti-lag 2 that gets all of our users banned so we needed to disable that feature until we got out shat together after damaging our brand image some more. Etc.

Where as Intel is trying to be different. They are trying to do what Ryzen did many years ago in the GPU space. For $250, they are giving you the same types of innovation that Nvidia is charging an arm and a leg for. It's not perfect but boy XeSS, RT performance and etc are very close. Their biggest weakness really is driver issues but as you can see with reviewer reactions, they are in a lot better place than before. Radeon should have done what Intel is doing many years ago.