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BraLoD said:
Kyuu said:

I don't know how anyone can say it's a lock:

1. Rebirth didn't review as well as AstroBot.

2. It's competing with two other RPGs (Metaphor and Erdtree).

3. It's at an inherent disadvantage of having already been played in some form. Have any "remake" of any form won GOTY before?

4. The series is generally in decline popularity wise.

I sure hope it wins though. You played Remake/Rebirth yet? The combat system is simply god-tier especially Rebirth's, I wasn't ready!!

I have both Remake/Rebirth but still have to play both.

It's not like Rebirth got bad reviews, it got a 92, and it's not the highest scored game that goes winning most GOTYs all the time.

Rebirth is FF7 done very right (take from basically everyone), that is a really, really big thing, we are talking about the most impactful RPG of all time here. And it's not like it's competing against a God of War, The Last of Us, Zelda or Rockstar game, not even directly with a proper From Software game, just a DLC.

Usually the game winning GOTY is the, or one of the in years with multiple of them, big respected game that seems like it pushed gaming foward technologically or artistically, or a game that is massive, that's what take the GOTYs most of the time. And Rebirth is the only game doing it this year, so for me it has it locked from the start.

Astro Bot is a short and sweet game, it's excellent in what it does but platformers are hardly real contenders for a GOTY, like other genres as fighting or racing games, for example, it's either big adventure, action or RPG games.

Metaphor is also a RPG like FF7 but it's not a big open world game, it will need to make a Persona-like fame before it can actually feel like a GOTY case. FF7 wins quite easily in scope against it.

Erdtree is a DLC, it won't win, like many here many of the actual votes will consider it as a detriment for it to be THE game, which it isn't, it isn't even a game, you need another game to even play it, it won't win. It's there to make a statement of how much a expansion actually delivered.

Wukong didn't even sit that well with reviwers, it is there to please the community, that's it, if we can get actual placements from 1 to 6 it's not making the top 3, for sure.

Balatro is an indie game, we are basically getting a 6th spot for a indie to be there in the last years, it will hardly have a chance against one of gaming biggest names like FF7, won't make the top 3 either.

So either you believe Astro Bot is capable of winning even being so short because of how incredibly good and unpolarizing it is, which I don't think it's enough for this year, or you believe they will actually consider a DLC the actual GOTY, when even Geoff made sure to create a barrier against it and himself saying he was not part of the decision of it even being there, it is his event, if the DLC wins what is a joke right now will become a potential actual problem for his event, he knows it, he proved it already, it just won't happen.

Metaphor isn't beating Rebirth, but it's guaranteed to "steal" a bunch of votes because the two games appeal to similar demographics. As long as publications pick their actual favorite of the two rather than politically ignore Metaphor for the sake of "the other great JRPG winning", Rebirth will lose a number of votes. Metaphor is definitely favored over Rebirth by a good number of people. Will it be enough to beat Rebirth? Probably not, but it could do some damage and indirectly help AstroBot.

I mostly agree on Wukong, Balatro, and Shadow of the Erdtree.

Reviews and scores are a little bit different. You can tell that AstroBot overall was better received than Rebirth, and that's not just because it score a couple of points higher on Metacritic and Opencritic. God of War was arguably better received than RDR2 even though it was 3 points behind. RDR2 got criticisms unexpressed by the inflated aggregated scores. Rebirth received a LOT of community complaints about padding, minigames, story/ending, and picture quality. AstroBot's complaints were minor in comparison. AstroBot is also significant in that it is Sony's first 3D Mario-tier platformer since... ever?... So some publications may pick it as a way to push Sony to that direction; to make more platformers and expand the remnants of Japan studio.

No JRPG ever won a major GOTY award. Platformers won a number of times. It Takes Two, which is often viewed as a platformer, is GOTY 2021.

I think it can go either way, but cheer with me for Rebirth, that's an order.

Last edited by Kyuu - 3 days ago