JuliusHackebeil said:
I don't claim to have good long term solutions for this very complicated problem. Hamas needs to be destroyed, sure. But then? I don't know, honestly. I am rather pessimistic about a peaceful coexistance between the Palestinians and the Israeli. The latter withdrew from Gaza almost 20 years ago and the former did nothing but prepare for the eridication of the Jews. Is this going to be different without Hamas? One can only hope. But I am pessimistic. Perhaps the cruel backwards theocracy in Iran needs to fall, before you can expect peaceful Palestinians (where I would include the West Bank as well). But that will be a much harder fight Israel alone can never hope to win. Palestine is a very new nationality compared to the Jews and Judea. And since many Arabs live in Israel and many many more would like to, perhaps the best solution is to have Israel control the whole area (Israel plus Gaza plus West Bank) and the palestinian Arabs live as israeli Arabs in Israel. That would certainly be an upgrade to the palestinian people, to live in a free democratic society, instead of another failed state. The region has enough of those already. And it cannot be the other way around, given what we know about how jews are treated in Gaza vs how arabs are treated in Israel. I suppose this would maximise the wellbeing for all the people there. Bye the bye, I am not happy with quite some things the jews are doing, sure. But in a practical, dark world, the ends do justify the means for me, when your enemies use much much worse. Also, in comparison to my uncertainty above, I can be quite sure that all our hearts here are in the right place and we all do want the best for the most people in this area. In that spirit, what would be your solution? |
I am not here to give solutions and neither are you.
If anyone is looking at what’s happening in Gaza right now and thinks this is going to end well or if it’s a solution for anything they’re sorely mistaken.
As I mentioned earlier, I happily concede for pro Israel voices that Israel war is “just” on Gaza so I can move on to discuss the West Bank, and again, predictably, the goal posts either always change or completely forgotten because what Israel is doing there is indefensible and inexcusable, which makes this conversation moot, because it’s just about dehumanising the victims even further. It's hard to discuss anything when biases are this palpable.
Netanyahu is not as lucky on the West Bank as there are no terrorists for him to fund, not that he needs to be anyway, the spineless west seems to be happy to watch a group of people get slaughtered, displaced, and have their lands stolen in front of our very eyes. I am baffled how there are not more expansionists dictators out there testing Biden’s “red lines” yet. Hey, Trump might just give them that extra little push they need.
