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JuliusHackebeil said:
LurkerJ said:

I always ask my pro Palestinian friends to not waste too much time debating whether Hamas or IDF is at fault and just concede this fight early on and shift the conversation to the ongoing annexation of the west back, the violations of the Israeli violent settlers there, and how the absence of Hamas in the West Bank meant Israel gets away with crimes without much media coverage

So my point to you, go read about the ongoing crimes and violations in the West Bank and tell me Israel how Israel is also the good people there.

That exact topic is adressed quite well in the video I linked. Atleast much better than what I could produce here in text.

That exact topic has been ruled over by the highest court in the world. This hasbara barrister is of course free to challenge the ICJ. Doubt she will be able persuade the judges with her smooth talking. Israel has been illegally occupying the Westbank since 1967 according to the ICJ.

https://www.icj-cij.org/node/204176
Summary of the Advisory Opinion of 19 July 2024
Case 186 - Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem


https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/icj-israel-occupation-ruling-1.7266424
Israel's settlement policies on Palestinian territories violate international law, the International Court of Justice in The Hague said on Friday.



And then there's the Settler terrorism

https://www.btselem.org/topic/settler_violence

https://www.crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/east-mediterranean-mena-israelpalestine/246-stemming-israeli-settler-violence

And it's nothing new, book published in 2012 about rising Settler terrorism in the West Bank
https://www.jstor.org/stable/41720862

Heck even the US draws a (small) line when it comes to the Settlers
https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/jy2622
Today, the Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) is designating Hilltop Youth, a violent extremist group that has repeatedly attacked Palestinians and destroyed Palestinian homes and property in the West Bank, pursuant to Executive Order (E.O.) 14115.

This group even went a bit too far for the IDF
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-freezes-operations-of-hilltop-youth-unit-linked-to-anti-palestinian-violence/


A photo of Palestinians bound and stripped after being apprehended by IDF soldiers and settlers in the central West Bank village of Wadi al-Seeq on October 12, 2023.


They are far from the only ones though
https://acleddata.com/2024/06/10/civilians-or-soldiers-settler-violence-in-the-west-bank/




https://ig.ft.com/west-bank/
How extremist settlers in the West Bank became the law

These settlers are fully backed by the government, Smotrich in particular next to Ben G'vir who is an ultranationalist settler leader.




Btw Natasha flat out lies about the borders at 50 minutes in, conveniently ignoring the 1947 UN partition plan. The West bank was never part of Israel.



She says Israel recovered that territory in 1967, Israel never had it.



That video is full of lies, disinformation and twisting facts. She does that all the time, arguing based off a false premise.

Read the (updated) OP if you want to know how it all went down.

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