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psychicscubadiver said:
firebush03 said:

Nobody deserves to have their life ruined, no matter the crime. Doesn't matter if it's mass murder or whatever you come up with: I do not believe vengence is justice, rather mercy is best. Institutionalization (for mental health) for [X] years works wonders, small fines also work fantastic, and is all far better for society than destroying somebody's entire life. Just my belief.

I've got questions about a lot of what you said, but I'll restrict myself just to this passage. So, just to be sure I understand you correctly, if a gang leader or mob boss sells drugs, traffics kids, and guns down a dozen people for opposing his organization, but he isn't clinically insane, just completely immoral, it would be morally wrong to lock him up in prison. He should be able to just pay a fine?

(pm after this msg lol.)

not quite what my point was, though I also didn’t communicate it very well and honestly did misrepresent my belief a bit. To revise what I said: If we’re talking about a mob boss, serial killer rapist, war criminal, etc., yeah those ppl need to be locked up. If we’re talking about individual crimes (i.e. crimes not committed with the assistance of an organization and such), I do believe rehabilitation is far better than punishment. Ppl don’t commit crime for the fun of it, they do it b/c they have hit a point where they feel this is the only means to survive and/or mental health issues. By giving these ppl the help they need, i.e. by tackling the issue at its root, you have a far happier society. There are countries in EU which utilize this rehabilitation-over-punishment approach, and it is very successful (in particular, with getting crime down).