2024 US Presidential Election

[EnricoPallazzo]

Tober said:

sc94597 said:

Nazis are just a variety of fascist specific to Germany. I could've added some sub-ideologies within Nazism like strasserism, for example, but I chose not to add too many syncretic ideologies because they probably can't be points, but rather imprecise fuzzy lines depending on which part of the syncretic ideology one emphasizes. 

Marxist communists believed the state eventually would wither away as the material reasons for its existence reduced. So no, communism isn't about the state being "supreme." Even if Marxist-Lenist regimes became authoritarian and statist, they all believed there would be less role for the state over time. Marx himself believed in strong small "d" democratic power. Marxist-Leninists and their offshoots believed in a strong authoritarian or totalitarian state, but you can't say the same for say orthodox marxists, who believed a working class captured state should do some things and not necessarily others. So called "democratic centralism" and "vanguardism" were Lenin's innovations. 

There are also non-marxist and marxist, non-statist communists who believed in communism in the vein of Kropotkin(Anarchist-Communism) as well as council communists, autonomists, etc, etc.

Socialist ideology is very diverse on the topic about the role of the state, but a majority of socialists believed the state is a manifestation of class power and should either be done away with immediately or will be outmoded/wither over time.

This is different from fascism where the state is considered a super-organism that all within a national body should work towards the health of even at the cost of the super-organism's cells (individuals.) 

An interesting take on the left-right political definition. I would look at it differently. I'm Dutch and we look at it from the perspective we call 'Maakbare Samenleving'.

It essentially means 'can society be engineered to get an optimum society or not'.

The left-right position is the scale on which how strong the belief is in this engineering and how much of it is wanted. Or the level of social engineering in other words.

Far left in this case is a full belief that everything would need to be socially engineered, whereas far right would be a complete rejection of it. Or in other words how much to curb the inane individual Human instincts versus seeking the optimum from a group perspective.

It is for this reason high population area's tend to be left leaning, where low population area's tend to be right leaning, because obviously the more people need to share a certain space, there is a stronger need to engineer/regulate the group to prevent chaos.

Obviously means the higher the level of social engineering is, the more influence a central authority needs to have to make this possible. Therefore left leaning politics tend to lead to more government/regulation and right leaning politics tend to lead to less of it.

This was visible during the Covid era. The more left leaning people accepting the Government's guidance more willingly , where the 'anti-vaxers' where more right leaning and more prone to protest other Covid measures.

From this perspective anarchy I would call far right, because it's a rejection of centralized authority. Essentially the 'Survival of the Fittest' approach. Where far left is a total subjection to the central authority, because 'the central authority knows best.'

The National Sozialistische Partei, or how the British invented the slang word Nazi for it, was founded in 1920 as a follow up to the German workersparty. It had a strong nationalistic belief system and to propagate it would mean to quell any dissent from its message. Therefore implementing strong censorship, rejection of religion and the centralization of power. Essentially 'the government knows best' approach.

As I said earlier, it's interesting how different a take can be looking at the left-right political spectrum. I guess a lot of that has to do on where people live and what their daily exposure is to their regulatory bodies and how that influences their lives.

Thats a very interesting definition, makes a lot of sense, I like it a lot.