Sorry Ukraine 
Tens of thousands dead for nothing, Europe couldn't get off its ass in time, now our so called "ally" has elected someone who is closer to Putin than us and will stab us in the back. We needed an EU army years ago, we need a proper enforceable EU defence pact similar to NATO. America is no longer a reliable ally to Europe. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure Europe preparing for this would result in throwing Ukraine under the bus while we increase our own defences. France was warning us for years and we didn't listen.
Don't know what else to say.
| SecondWar said: Sadly, I think its reached the point where Ukraine has to sue for peace (ie surrender) now. We know Trump will cut support and Europe doesn’t have the will or the way to support Ukraine on its own. |
It's sick, it's basically rewarding a murdering, rapist, with a plot of land.
If Trump cuts Ukraine's support though then Putin has zero reason to accept their surrender on the current frontlines rather than just simply taking it all and Ukraine will likely be powerless to stop it...When has rewarding fascists with appeasement ever convinced them to stop...Sigh. At the end of the day though, it is not for us to decide, if Ukraine surrenders then it's their right as an independent country even if I think it will be a big mistake on a global scale, and likely end up with Zelenskyy thrown out of office.
But if Ukraine decides to still fight then I will continue to support them to the very end.
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