2024 US Presidential Election

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sundin13 said:

Chrkeller said:

The system is setup to ensure a couple of states don't rule the country, which is quite an intelligent system.

Winning the PV, while losing the EC, means liberals do well on the east and west coast, while doing poorly in middle America.  Middle America is the average person.  

Meaning their messaging is complete shit via limited appeal.  

Also, and I'm baffled people don't see this, change the rules and voting behavior changes...   so the whole PV argument is nonsense. 

Good luck folks, hopefully I'm wrong, but I think Trump takes the WH and GOP takes the senate....  which would mean liberals aren't connecting with middle Americans, like I said 100 pages ago.  🤔 

In order to avoid having a system where a handful of states have outsized influence over who becomes president, we created a system where a handful of states have outsized influence over who becomes president...

Yeah I’m really not following his logic. I would like a detailed explanation why the extra ~500 votes Bush got in Florida should count more than the extra ~500,000 votes Gore got in the other 49 states or why the extra ~80,000 votes Trump got in Wisconsin, Michigan & Pennsylvania should count more than the extra ~3,000,000 votes Clinton got in the other 47 states.

Even in 2004 & 2020, Bush & Biden won the PV but were extremely close to losing the EC. Bush had ~3,000,000 more votes and only won because of ~120,000 in Ohio and Biden had ~7,000,000 more votes and only won because of ~42,000 votes in Arizona, Georgia & Wisconsin.

I just don’t think there is a logical explanation for how the EC is a better system than the PV.