SvennoJ said:
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Many means some, not all. So they set up the paragraph with the vague word "many", how many stories were found to be true it could be 90 of 100 (some people consider 10 to be "many") but that is just a BS number since they do not specify ... they ignore true reports and move to make a subset of those "many" that are false. Now in that subset they can use less vague wording. Weird they add "systemic" to "widepspread rape" also odd they don't deny babies being killed in cold blood but it didn't qualify as MASS killing of babies so they can claim it is untrue. Semantics at play. Same tactic you use, hmmmm
In particular the I-Unit reveals that claims by the Israel Defence Force that it found 8 burned babies at a house in Kibbutz Be’eri were entirely untrue. There were no babies in the house and the 12 civilians inside were killed by Israeli forces when they stormed the house. This was one of a number of incidents where the police and army appear to have killed Israeli citizens. |
Ok so a "No I will not list the atrocities committed" would have been much shorter. Instead I get deflection. I am not disappointed. You will hang the moniker of "systemic" on the rapes so as to deny there was rape. Special kind of special at play again. You should apply to be an ABC fact checker.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68474899
Pramila Patten, the UN's Special Representative on Sexual Violence in Conflict, said her team had "found clear and convincing information that sexual violence, including rape, sexualised torture, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment" had been committed against hostages.
There were "reasonable grounds" to believe such violence could be "ongoing against those still held in captivity", she told reporters.
Hamas gunmen infiltrated southern Israel on 7 October - killing about 1,200 people and taking 253 others hostage.
The UN report said "the mission team found that there are reasonable grounds to believe that conflict-related sexual violence occurred in multiple locations during the 7 October attacks".
These happened in at least three locations - the Nova music festival site and its surroundings, Road 232, and Kibbutz Re'im, it added.
Reports of sexual violence carried out by Hamas - which is proscribed as a terrorist organisation by Israel, the UK and others - began to emerge soon after 7 October and have accumulated steadily ever since.
The BBC has also seen and heard evidence of rape, sexual violence and mutilation of women.
But it wasn't "systemic" right? So you can downplay and deny. These that you have defended for hundreds of posts are great people that hide in schools and hospitals and among the poor civilian population and contribute to their deaths and the destruction of facilities that are much needed currently. You want to play semantics because you have little to nothing else in way of defense. Barbaric acts answered in some cases with barbaric responses. It is an tragic situation to be sure since 99% of those affected on either side aren't really at fault.
All right I'm done. I am sorry I even responded initially. Please do not respond unless you are willing to drop hiding behind semantics. Just in case you are, I will ask again ... Can you please list the atrocities from October 7th that you believe happened?
Sorry my response was all broken up by pesky work and may not flow worth a damn. Credit where it is due, my response is not as polished as your typical response. I believe you hide behind semantics but your responses are polished and almost always included sources. From that perspective a non-sarcastic bravo and tip of my hat to you.
It is a shame that differences of opinion or perspective drive humanity apart when if you tossed those out most of the time there would be far more common ground between people of all places and walks of life. We tend to focus on those differences though instead of common ground. Pity
