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Bofferbrauer2 said:

Jizz_Beard_thePirate said:

Intel has lost all of its dedicated GPU market share

https://www.techspot.com/news/104848-intel-has-lost-all-dedicated-gpu-market-share.html

I think it became pretty clear once AMD outbid Intel for their next gen console hardware of choice along with Intel's current "we got no money" predicament... Battlemage is likely dead in the water and maybe even their GPU division. Even if they release Battlemage, it might be their last dGPU at this point.

Meanwhile Nvidia continues to dominate this gen as both AMD and Intel continue to shoot themselves in the foot. It's clear AMD made a lot of dumb moves this generation but who knows... Maybe next one they will be better instead of trying to be "Nvidia with a slight discount."

While AMD made several dumb moves, it's still a but sad that AMD doesn't do much better. Seems sometimes like people keep their grudges against AMD but forget any NVidia mishaps right away.

Especially the 7700XT/7800XT and 7900GRE are well-priced compared to the competition and should be selling much better than they do. At Mindfactory.de for instance the 7700XT (400€) is priced similarly to the 4060Ti 8GB (380€) while the 4060Ti 16GB(440€) is right between the 7700XT and the 7800XT (480€) in price. Meanwhile the downgraded 4070 models (535€) come in at at least 50€ more than the 7800XT, with the older models with GDDR6X memory (570€) are at least 90€ more than the 7800XT and thus priced comparatively to the 7900GRE. I don't feel like the better features are enough to justify such steep price markups for NVidia cards, especially on the 4060Ti models.

The thing is that it's not up to Nvidia to convince people to buy their products... People are already buying their products. It's up to AMD to convince people to buy their products instead. I think a lot of people in that price range or really in a lot of price ranges think to themselves... Should I buy this AMD GPU or spend more and buy an Nvidia gpu? Like I don't think people are penny pinching that much to be like, well I can buy a 7800XT for $480 but I can't spend extra $50-$70 for a 4070.

I think we are in the era of where Raster performance alone no longer sells products. Lets say I am a 970/1070 user and I want to upgrade. Okay so if I were to upgrade to a 7800XT, what am I getting? A lot more Raster performance (compared to 970/1070)? Yep. FSR 2? Nah have that. Anti-lag 2? Already have Reflex. Actually Reflex is in way more supported games than Anti-lag 2 so this would be a downgrade. Ray Tracing? Yea but kinda shat on AMD. Long term driver support? Kinda iffy considering AMDs track record. Ai upscaling? Nah. More Vram? Heck yea.

Okay what if I spend extra $100 and get a 4070. A lot more Raster performance (compared to 970/1070)? Yep DLSS that is significantly better and more supported? Yep. Ray Tracing that is actually viable? yep. Reflex? Yep. FSR 2? Yep. FSR 3? Yep. DLSS 3 FG? Yep. Long term driver support? Hell Nvidia is still supporting Maxwell. List goes on.

So it's like, outside of a few areas like 7700XT vs 4060 Ti, Radeon really doesn't make much sense unless you want pure raster... And what is Raster alone going to give you when UE5 was built around upscaling, when XVI needs a 4090 for 1440p, when the new MH game requires frame gen at 1080p to achieve 60fps? The reality is that the extra raster you get for the price point feels pointless when the developers are building entire games around upscaling as a requirement.

Last edited by Jizz_Beard_thePirate - on 26 September 2024