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sc94597 on 23 September 2024
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haxxiy said:
sc94597 said:

The rumored modules are 64-bit. 

https://www.micron.com/products/memory/dram-components/lpddr5/part-catalog/part-detail/mt62f768m64d4ek-026-wt-b

It's just a question of nomenclature.

Soldered LPDDR5s modules with 64-bits have half the speed of 32-bit ones (which themselves are double 16-bit width channels, actually). The RAM remains at the frequency indicated as 32 bits, but the communication bus is twice as large but half as fast.

It's quite unlikely the Switch 2 CPU could even handle the parallel data lines from 64-bit DRAM SO-DIMMs at these data rates, anyway. Nintendo definitely isn't Ken Kutaragi designing the PS3, after all.

Is Micron using different nomenclature from Samsung here? I ask, because -- for example when talking about the Steam Deck OLED's memory Samsung uses the x32 terminology rather than x64. 

Micron also has single component LPDDR5 modules with only 16bit bus width.

Example: https://www.micron.com/products/memory/dram-components/lpddr5x/part-catalog/part-detail/mt62f1g16d1ds-023-it-b

But then Samsung seems to use the x64 organization too. For example, 

https://semiconductor.samsung.com/dram/lpddr/lpddr5x/k3kl3l30em-bgcv/

If the Steam Deck OLED has 4 modules that give a total of 102 GBps, that would be 25.5 GBps per module. But that is on what they're calling x32 "organization." So the implication is something that Samsung labels as x64 has the potential to give double that (at the same clock-rate.) 

Also how does the Rog Ally achieve 100 GBps with dual-channel LPDDR5-6400? 

Edit: Never-mind, I totally misread your post. Also Asus is probably listing the Rog Ally as dual channel even though it is technically quad channel just to preserve the traditional meaning. 

Edit 2: 

Digging in further, I don't think the module count matters, it is what each module supports. 

Here is a Lenovo Legion Go motherboard with two modules. 

Source: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Lenovo+Legion+Go+Chip+ID/167631?srsltid=AfmBOorF5zqjkVxbspdRpmCiZaNDOAqvOSfSvD6WIOeUIh3C-1hZgssA

The modules are the orange squares. 

It still supports quad-channel and has a total memory bandwidth of about 120 GBps. The memory it uses is  K3KL3L30CM-BGCT 

Compare that to the Rog Ally board that has four modules. 

But the modules are of 32x "organization" K3LKBKB0BM-MGCP . 

Switch 2 could have something similar to the Legion Go. Two 64x "organization" modules or in Micron's language "bus-width" that support quad-channel. 

Last edited by sc94597 - on 23 September 2024