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Ryuu96 on 23 September 2024
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LegitHyperbole said:
Ryuu96 said:

Not even close.

America has sent 0.347% in equipment value as a % of their total GDP to Ukraine, the vast majority of which being old equipment that was being replaced anyway and largely consisting of land-based equipment. In a hypothetical scenario, America wouldn't be fighting China with Abrams and Bradleys, they'd be fighting them via the seas and skies, of which they've sent fuck all of those to Ukraine, Lol. Seas is understandable as nobody can send Ukraine naval equipment due to Türkiye closing the strait but America hasn't even sent Ukraine a single F-16 and they're on F-35, Lol.

As for the title, no I don't think we're in the early stages of WW3.

Give me a percentage of military budget, two years for Ukraine and one year for Isreal.

I'm not sure for Israel as I don't follow it closely but it's an important distinction to make that Israel is buying a lot of American equipment, like Taiwan buys American equipment or Poland or any other country, I don't really think even if I could find a total for Israel it would be worth comparing to Ukraine whose equipment is almost entirely free.

America's most recent military budget was $849bn for the fiscal year. Ukraine's aid amounts to around $61bn and theoretically lasts for around a year, therefore that would amount to roughly 7.2% of the $849bn passed military budget...However, I'm not actually 100% sure that Ukraine's $61bn is part of the $849bn military budget or counted as a separate thing because it's voted as a separate bill.

Maybe an American can confirm?

You said though that Ukraine and Israel are sucking the funds out of America but it isn't close to the truth, even if we only use military budget because Ukraine would only be 7.2% and Israel largely buys a lot of their equipment. Also, the vast majority of aid "sent" to Ukraine stays in America as billions of it is used to replace American stock after they send Ukraine the old stock destined for scrap in the next ~10-15 years.

So America sends Ukraine old shit that would have been scrapped anyway and billions in the passed Ukraine aid package is instead used to replace that stock with new equipment that Ukraine doesn't get, lets for example use Bradley's as an example, America has sent Ukraine ~300 but they have literally thousands in storage and Bradley is being replaced by XM30.

America is ranked #17 as a % of GDP for aid sent to Ukraine but America has a military budget bigger than China and Russia combined, heck, throw a few other countries on that list too and America would still be beating them all combined. Also, like I said, America would fight China using ships and planes, none of which they've sent to Ukraine and they have one of the largest air-forces and naval-forces in the world still.

China's modern military isn't even battle-tested, it's all on paper right now, Russia has shown us something though, America massively overestimated Russia's military capabilities and could probably easily kick their ass even with half the military budget they have right now, but of course, America's military budget never was for only Russia, it was always designed for two adversaries; Russia and China.