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IkePoR said:

It's not all disingenuous, most people in this thread are constantly berating Trump's character and policies, yet I see only Ryuu, a non-American, genuinely excited for his would be candidate.  Very classic whataboutism but I haven't said an unkind word about Kamala so... wouldn't that mean you're being disingenuous?

Yes, that was my point. I was intentionally being disingenuous.

>constantly berating Trump's character and policies

That's not disingenuous, and it's not Trump derangement. If you believe someone to be actively harmful, it doesn't matter if you're not excited about the other candidate. Neutral is better than bad. 

IkePoR said:

Covid can't really be blamed on anyone, realistically.  I also don't blame Biden for Putin either, he would have done what he did if anyone was in power - except Trump.  He's invaded during every presidency for over 30 years except Trumps.

I'm glad we agree on this.

IkePoR said:

That's a good point - my point, even. What do you think of her policies?

I'm going to vote for the person who thinks climate change is a real problem, and will make plans to do something about it. 

IkePoR said:

1. Okay, compared to what?  What hard evidence do you have?  Can you give context for the use of "freedom" here?  

2. Can you answer my question?

3. Are you suggesting imposing long term ramifications to the tax payer is harmless? What true benefit is an institution that buries it's clients in debt for a degree that nearly half of them don't use, that later have to be bailed out by those more responsible?

1. Reproductive rights is a big one.

2. I did. Personal freedom matters more than the replacement rate. 

3. You are missing the fact that it's already the tax payer burden.