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Ryuu96 on 27 August 2024
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RedKingXIII said:
Ryuu96 said:

Yup. Though I'm not sure I'd describe Alan Wake 2 as a "flop" even, I think it will eventually turn a profit.

For Remedy though...I'm sure they're happy for the most part, Epic funded 100% of development for years, including the salaries of their employees, technically, Remedy hasn't lost any money on Alan Wake 2, only Epic has (thus far) but it may still sell enough to start turning a profit.

Epic's deal is 100% funding for everything, the development, the marketing, the salaries, and only when the game meets enough sales to recoup that 100% do Epic start sharing profits at a 50/50 split. I believe that Alan Wake 2 will eventually reach that. It's not a massive seller out the gate, like Alan Wake 1, it's a slow burner but it's currently selling faster than Alan Wake 1.

But Remedy, they had their entire game funded and they had their salaries covered for years, they didn't lose money on Alan Wake 2, they got to make the game they wanted and keep all IP rights. Meanwhile they have other games which continue to sell and other publisher agreements to work on, that's often the life of an independent developer, working from publisher to publisher.

But yeah, Alan Wake IP is what I'd call a "average" seller anyway, it was never a big selling IP.

I think it's fair to call it a flop for now since it's a product that didn't cover its production costs and it's not giving Remedy any profit. However, that's probably going to change eventually (very soon probably), and then it's going to turn a profit. Slowly but surely it will get there.

But at the end of the day we agree and it's just semantics.

Yeah, that's fair I was just thinking more long-term when describing something as a flop but it's fair to say it's a "flop" right now but we're still in the relatively early stages, I think it'll profit soon...Budget was like $75m so it needs to do $75m worth of sales before Epic starts giving Remedy profits. With 1.3m as of early this year, it's probably close.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 27 August 2024