2024 US Presidential Election

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haxxiy said:

You are way overthinking this. Bill Clinton is still a popular past president and the American public as a whole strongly disapproved of his impeachment. Anyone who isn't going to vote for Harris giving the excuse the fucking Clintons showed up in a Democratic convention (like they did in 2008, 2012, 2020...) aren't going to vote for Harris at all. Period.

Renamed said:

As the expression goes, "There's no there there."   Persuadable voters are have the following 2 choice:

1. Support Harris despite having a former president alleged to have sexually assaulted someone show up 1 night at her DNC nomination.

2. Support Trump despite himself being found guilty by a jury of committing sexual assault.

So you're stating that these persuadables are going to be mad at Harris for allowing Clinton to speak for an hour and suddenly support Trump?  Seriously, if they do not like Bill Clinton, how the hell do you think they feel about Mr. "Grab 'em by the pussy"?  And hearing more faux outrage from Fox is a drop in the bucket, faux outrage is all they do.  Potential Harris voters aren't likely listening to Fox anyway.  Besides, Fox complaining about Bill's alleged sexual assault but giving Trump a free pass is the ultimate hypocrisy.   

This goes both ways, no one is going to vote for Harris because Bill Clinton spoke.

Times have changed and the Clintons are not popular anymore, at least where it matters with the electoral college. Hillary lost for a reason. There are Obama, Trump, Biden voters. It makes no sense to me but we know they exist. Could some republican leaning suburban lady who hates the Clintons get a bad vibe by seeing them at the convention & decide this is the reason she doesn't like Kamala and just wont vote? Yeah, sadly I know people like that.

I fully admit politics and people who work in it (including myself) hyperfocus on things that don't really matter. Like the VP pick. However, in a close election there is no good reason to give your opponent anything. I don't see the value the Clintons bring the party anymore and neither of you explained how them having speaking roles helps Kamala. 

I already told you how it helps.

3 former presidents supporting her. 
0 former presidents supporting him.

This overpowers the optics of Bill Clinton's past.   Not just with direct voters but for down ballot support too.  Something Trump has catastrophically failed at.