LegitHyperbole said:
Tober said:
Oh this is an interesting discussion point, because it can be looked at in so many different ways. The obvious one is that the EU is not really great at efficient spending. No government is really, but the EU takes the cake. There is a lot to be said with more efficient spending that we could have a independent NATO defense budget, while maintain social security policies that we have today. Is this likely to happen though? Probably not. Another consideration is that the EU does not really have a defense budget. It's the separate countries and they all have separate priorities. Take France, it got a surprising amount of oversees territories and much of it's defense budget is focused on that. The elephant in the room is....what for? Obviously the discussion is relevant because Russia invaded Ukraine. But is this because Biden blabbermouthed that Ukraine could become NATO, or that Putin want to create an even bigger Russia empire. I don't know. Seems Russia is already pretty big and they don't want NATO at 500km from Moscow. In other words, what is the Russian threat to let's say my home country of the Netherlands really? My opinion. Pretty low. |
Yes. We have no defence budget or at least nothing as large as the US or China, not even close even if you round up every country together. My biggest fear of a Trump presidency and how it will effect Europe is if he pulls out of NATO, we are left weak and with essentially no help, we'd have to build military might from near the ground up and this will effect our economies greatly and also effect our ability to have public health care. It'll never happen of course because he wouldn't want China to act as Europe's new bigger sibling. At least I hope. |
I think you are correct. The US will not pull out of NATO, because in the end it also helps them with maintaining or expanding their influence in the world. Plus the US weapon industry wants markets to serve. I think Trump big mouth is simply a negotiation strategy to push EU countries to spend more on defense a.k.a. spend more on US weaponry.
