By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close
sundin13 said:
firebush03 said:

okie doke. How is Trump “markedly” different from Biden/Harris? Give evidence. Rhetoric is not evidence because we’re not talking about rhetoric. What are their proposed policy strategies. Because while Biden may have earned some “brownie points” with his Gaza humanitarian packages (which are entirely for show, please see my previous post where I included links demonstrating the many many ways in which Biden has active,y gone out of his way with the party to ensure aid does not get into Gaza), he has also contributed tens/hundreds of billions of dollars in aiding Israel and has exerted far greater effort to strand Gaza at sea than to help. What difference are you referring to? Again. Be specific. Trump halting humanitarian aid to Gaza is exactly what Biden did with the UN. Small legislative packages don’t overpower this fact alongside many others. Re-read my previous response, and you’ll see maybe then you’ll understand what I’m getting at.

yeah, redlines have been crossed and Biden continues sending military aid. Redlines are ignored and only established for the purpose of “show”. And Biden withheld one singular package of munition…which eventually was sent to Israel regardless. Again, bad point.

Those actions Trump took, yes, Trump is pro-Israel. Not sure what you want me to say. Biden and Harris are also both pro-Israel. Maybe less so in their rhetoric , but their policy positions are seemingly near identical for the people of Gaza. Trump confirming the Golan Heights as being apart of Israel is irrelevant to the discussion of who will stop sending military aid to Israel, and who will work with the UN so as to ensure humanitarian aid gets sent to Gaza.

What else do you want me to say? I’m not gonna bend over and starting sucking up to you. You have to make strong arguments if you want me convinced on your stances. Where am I wrong? And how do you counter all those links I’ve provided? Read through them, rationalize them.

Biden is markedly different from Trump. He has been central in the push to get aid into Gaza. Even before this war, when Trump was President, Trump halted humanitarian aid into Gaza. One of the first things Biden did as President was restore that aid. As the war went on, repeatedly, funding was provided for humanitarian aid due to the pressure from Democrats which was resisted by Republicans. These millions of dollars of aid simply would not have come if Trump had his way. Gaza is already struggling under a food crisis. Allowing Trump to gain power would objectively make that worse. Biden also was central to efforts to get this aid into Gaza, taking actions such as Air Dropping aid and negotiating to allow aid to enter through Israel controlled border checkpoints. 

As far as actual military support of Israel, I personally would like Biden to go further in resisting Israel's killing of innocent civilians. That said, they have pushed back publicly against some of the actions of Israel and have withheld certain munitions and threatened to withhold additional munitions if a certain red line were to be crossed. 

We can also look further into Trump's presidency to see some of the more controversial actions he had taken, which likely wouldn't have happened under Democratic leadership. Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, both very controversial actions which inflamed tensions. Further, Trump officially recognized the Golan Heights as part of Israel. Golan Heights is disputed territory which is illegally being settled by Israel in violation of international law. One of these settlements was named "Trump Heights" in acknowledgement on Donald Trump.

I'm not doing this BS where you say nothing and keep demanding more from me. I'm too old for this shit. You argued that the two are identical and you don't seem to care about evidence plainly demonstrating that they aren't because you still don't like how either of them handled the situation. That criticism is fair (again, it is a criticism of Biden and not of Kamala), but it doesn't make the two identical. 

calm down lol. I am trying to meet you where you’re at. You are not successfully conveying yourself (otherwise I would be where you’re at), so I’m only left guessing here. Maybe try to reword your original statement?, and explicitly stating what your points are. My takeaway is that you are stating that Biden has passed policies which appear in favor of Gaza, whereas Trump has done the opposite. Is this correct? My response is thereby that I agree Trump hasn’t done good, but I counter by arguing that Biden hasn’t done good either actually. I then provide links to evidence showcasing how Biden hasn’t been as charitable as your cherry-picked examples might convey. Where am I missing the mark? Also, we were talking about Kamala, not Biden. I said in my OP that Kamala is not Biden, nor have I argued that her contribution to the Gaza situation under Biden should be accounted for (even though it should…regardless). I have only talked about what Kamala has done, who all she has been speaking with, what donor and establishment endorsements may signal in her policy, etc. I’m confused by the tangent you’re going off on. Why are we even talking about Biden? Can you explain that?