sundin13 said:
You objectively did not. Here is the heart of my post again. Maybe you'll do better if you read it a second time: That said, even Biden is markedly different from Trump. He has been central in the push to get aid into Gaza. Even before this war, when Trump was President, Trump halted humanitarian aid into Gaza. One of the first things Biden did as President was restore that aid. As the war went on, repeatedly, funding was provided for humanitarian aid due to the pressure from Democrats which was resisted by Republicans. These millions of dollars of aid simply would not have come if Trump had his way. Gaza is already struggling under a food crisis. Allowing Trump to gain power would objectively make that worse. Biden also was central to efforts to get this aid into Gaza, taking actions such as Air Dropping aid and negotiating to allow aid to enter through Israel controlled border checkpoints. As far as actual military support of Israel, I personally would like Biden to go further in resisting Israel's killing of innocent civilians. That said, they have pushed back publicly against some of the actions of Israel and have withheld certain munitions and threatened to withhold additional munitions if a certain red line were to be crossed. We can also look further into Trump's presidency to see some of the more controversial actions he had taken, which likely wouldn't have happened under Democratic leadership. Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, both very controversial actions which inflamed tensions. Further, Trump officially recognized the Golan Heights as part of Israel. Golan Heights is disputed territory which is illegally being settled by Israel in violation of international law. One of these settlements was named "Trump Heights" in acknowledgement on Donald Trump. EDIT: Quick side note in relation to one minor comment you've made: "The damage has already been done". While a lot of damage has been done, there are still a hell of a lot of people suffering in Gaza. This decision has the power to save some of their lives. The damage isn't just in the past, it is also in the future if we don't choose to act. Step one of that action is voting for Harris. Step two is getting out and pressuring her to do what is best for the people of Gaza. Another massive difference between the two is that Harris can be pressured by voices on the left advocating for peace. Trump will probably just send more bombs if the left tries to pressure him. |
okie doke. How is Trump “markedly” different from Biden/Harris? Give evidence. Rhetoric is not evidence because we’re not talking about rhetoric. What are their proposed policy strategies. Because while Biden may have earned some “brownie points” with his Gaza humanitarian packages (which are entirely for show, please see my previous post where I included links demonstrating the many many ways in which Biden has active,y gone out of his way with the party to ensure aid does not get into Gaza), he has also contributed tens/hundreds of billions of dollars in aiding Israel and has exerted far greater effort to strand Gaza at sea than to help. What difference are you referring to? Again. Be specific. Trump halting humanitarian aid to Gaza is exactly what Biden did with the UN. Small legislative packages don’t overpower this fact alongside many others. Re-read my previous response, and you’ll see maybe then you’ll understand what I’m getting at.
yeah, redlines have been crossed and Biden continues sending military aid. Redlines are ignored and only established for the purpose of “show”. And Biden withheld one singular package of munition…which eventually was sent to Israel regardless. Again, bad point.
Those actions Trump took, yes, Trump is pro-Israel. Not sure what you want me to say. Biden and Harris are also both pro-Israel. Maybe less so in their rhetoric , but their policy positions are seemingly near identical for the people of Gaza. Trump confirming the Golan Heights as being apart of Israel is irrelevant to the discussion of who will stop sending military aid to Israel, and who will work with the UN so as to ensure humanitarian aid gets sent to Gaza.
What else do you want me to say? I’m not gonna bend over and starting sucking up to you. You have to make strong arguments if you want me convinced on your stances. Where am I wrong? And how do you counter all those links I’ve provided? Read through them, rationalize them.
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