| firebush03 said: "First of all, Harris isn't President. She has no power over foreign policy over Israel at the moment, so it isn't really accurate to portray current policy as Kamala's policy." When did I make the claim that Harris was responsible for the genocide? I mean, I do believe Harris does hold some responsibility here, let's not act like the VP has no power in this...but I never mentioned anything to this effect in my initial comment. I might be missing something, so please point out if I did so, or maybe if I wasn't clear somewhere. "She has made it pretty clear that she is more critical of Israel than Biden and seems more willing to enforce consequences against Israel than Biden. You admit that there is a clear difference between the positions that Harris expresses and the positions Trump expresses. That should be the end of this conversation. The two are objectively not identical." Nope. Not end of conversation because the conversation was never about their rhetoric, rather their policy. I expressed in my initial post how they are different in terms of how sympathic she is (not sure why you restate that in your response as if I hadn't already...), but when it comes to what the actual difference will be in enforcement, I said that "I'm no foreign policy expert, but these many many signs seem to indicate that Harris will be a continuation of the Biden administration. I don't know how exactly the different the difference will be, though the outcome will be roughly the same between the two." This is my point. Argue to that, and please stop making this into a competition of "Who's right?". (The best way to argue against what I'm saying: Explicitly provide the policies which Harris will enforce that'll distinguish her from Trump in terms of how the Palestinians will be protected. Also, counter the points that I make which suggest she will still be aggressive on Palestinians.) "That said, even Biden is markedly different from Trump. He has been central in the push to get aid into Gaza." Please see these four sources and respond accordingly: https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-un-resolution-ceasefire-humanitarian-6d3bfd31d6c25168e828274d96b85cf8, https://www.npr.org/2023/12/24/1221467493/u-s-declines-to-vote-on-un-resolution-to-send-aid-to-gaza, https://www.sanders.senate.gov/in-the-news/sanders-casts-sole-democratic-vote-against-bill-to-send-14b-to-israel/, https://apnews.com/article/un-israel-palestinians-gaza-ceasefire-resolution-vote-350c86ef261bf1a00a2515cf22764de5, https://truthout.org/articles/report-us-has-secretly-sent-israel-over-100-weapons-shipments-in-last-150-days/. It would be greatly appreciated if you did actually sit down and take the time to read these points. I don't udnerstand how you could argue that it's the repubs, when in reality its seemingly a bipartisan agreement to support israel and clentch down on Gaza. "Allowing Trump to gain power would objectively make that worse." Please cite evidence backing this assertion. "We can also look further into Trump's presidency to see some of the more controversial actions he had taken, which likely wouldn't have happened under Democratic leadership. Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel and moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem, both very controversial actions which inflamed tensions. Further, Trump officially recognized the Golan Heights as part of Israel. Golan Heights is disputed territory which is illegally being settled by Israel in violation of international law. One of these settlements was named "Trump Heights" in acknowledgement on Donald Trump." Yep. Never denied that Trump has been far more pro-Israel than Kamala and Joe. What I'm saying is that the Palestinians won't really be noticing any changes. Please address this point. |
