2024 US Presidential Election

[Ryuu96]

firebush03 said:

Ryuu96 said:

"Observe, however, that amidst all this relatively sympathetic speaking, Kamala is very clear in expressing her interest in ensuring that "Israel has the right to defend itself"

Is this meant to be a bad thing? I despise Netanyahu but yes Israel has the right to defend itself, it does not have the right to willy-nilly bomb whatever the fuck it wants to and go on a mass slaughter of Palestinians don't act like Hamas is innocent, they've done horrific terrorist actions as well, lets not forget Israel is surrounded by enemies too, Syria to the North and Hezbollah in Lebanon and Iran (and its proxies like the terrorist Houthi organisation) would love nothing more than to see Israel turned to rubble so yes, Israel has the right to defend itself.

Hamas, Houthis, Hezbollah are all extremist factions, Syria and Iran are led by extremists, Netanyahu is an extremist too. We should stop offensive support to Israel as they use it with little care of who they kill, not all Palestinians are Hamas, not all Hamas are Palestinians, but I do not believe we should stop defensive support.

not gonna get into whether or not HAMAS is bad. All I can say is that it is ridiculous that Gaza has a death toll of more than 33x that of Israel in this "war", especially when Gaza has population a fraction of the size of that of Israel. In principle, yes, I agree that all countries have the right to defend themselves. But this is just absurd...this is not defending, this is massacring. Netanyahu literally refers to the *Palestinians* (not HAMAS) as "Amelak" (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/11/benjamin-netanyahu-amalek-israel-palestine-gaza-saul-samuel-old-testament/), and if you don't know what this means, look up the verse. It's very straight forward to see what he's saying here.

Okay, I may have misunderstood your point because I do agree this isn't "defence" and more a massacre of Palestinians and I've expressed anger multiple times that Ukraine has more rules and restrictions enforced on it by the West against a much larger and stronger enemy, than Israel has enforced on it by the West against a much smaller and weaker enemy (Hamas). But they need to be able to defend themselves too, I think we can say that and make the distinction that defence does not mean slaughter everyone in sight, they need to be able to defend themselves against attack because they are surrounded by countries that want them dead.

But I do not believe Hamas nor Netanyahu give a fuck about how many innocents have to die in their zealot war, I believe they both need and want the war to continue as long as possible because they both hold on to power due to the war and the moment this war stops, neither have a purpose to exist anymore in their current political sphere, I don't think either side is interested in ending the war but Israel is the stronger side and they are going on a genocide of Palestinians so yeah, I hate Netanyahu but Hamas isn't innocent, Hamas is a terrorist organisation.

I'd stop all offensive aid because Israel is slaughtering whoever they feel like and trying their best to escalate things.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 05 August 2024