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firebush03 said:

(yeah I should prolly avoid this forum lol.) Not a big fan of either Trump or Harris. Foreign policies are identical, domestic policy is marginally different. Economic policies are the difference of solidification versus furthering corporate power. Immigration policies are identical. Local-level courts don’t hold grand amounts of sway and no Democrat US Supreme Court justice is leaving anytime soon (and any Repub justice is still young enough to wait another 4y before dropping down). Dems choose to use abortion as a political football, refusing codification at all costs, and repubs will only re-enforce minor executive orders. Not much to comment on…it’s the election of white bread versus white bread with one extra gram of fiber.

Sure, Dems have plenty of issues.

A big one is that they're generally not as cohesive as conservatives have tended to be. There's quite a difference between Manchin and Sanders for example. 

Another one is that they're not generally playing the same game that conservatives have been. "When they go low, we go high".


This is practically the first time I've really seen them kind of pull together. 

But there are tons of differences. How they treat trans people, and climate change and science and education.

The only way that both parties are the same is if you're discounting incremental change. A big part of that is very little changes quickly. There's not a stark difference in how my life is going between Trump's presidency and Biden's. 

But conservatives don't seem to discount incremental change. They'll vote for Bush on the premise that he's pro-life, and they'll vote for him again even though he's changed nothing. And then they'll vote for the next guy, and then in 20 years they've finally overturned Roe v Wade. They seem like they're in it for the long haul. 

I've been very concerned with how I've seen a lot of people talk about Trump's second presidency being the end of democracy. Because I think we should recognize that even if it didn't end up meaning that, having the door being opened up to it more, should be concerning enough. Having the Overton window shift more to make people think it's a little more acceptable should also be concerning enough. 

Dems have been talking about overhauling the Supreme Court with term limits, expanding the court and the like. Change can happen if you vote for the right people. And they're probably too scared to shake up the boat to actually do any of that, but we should still actually try. 

firebush03 said: 

(And just as a heads up: I may do a post or two, be gone for a few hours, do another post or three, etc. Y'all like to interpret "I have a life" as a convienient excuse to not immediate counter all arguments lol. I do have exams next week, so I am very short on time.)

I'm pretty sure you're the only one who's made that excuse.

Some of the other posters are totally fine with coming back in a week if need be.