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Ryuu96 said:
shavenferret said:

Wow, i don't know what to think about this........ So, Marine Le Pen has promised that the French will not involve themselves in aiding Ukraine? What gives? France under Macron has been a hardliner against Russia. And they have motivations as well. France is angry at russia quaffing their imperialism in Africa. Russia has sent over troops and agents to eliminate French influence in Africa, and you would think that a far-right anybody would be 100% against anybody from Russia. Has Putin blessed her with payments like he did Trump?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/05/europe/france-le-pen-ukraine-mbappe-intl-cmd/index.html

Her party has literally received Russian loans which they've had to payback to avoid controversy, she was against economic sanctions on Russia, has pretty weak criticism towards Russia, a boilerplate condemnation of the 2022 invasion and has said that Russia and France can be allies again in the future, she has said she wants to pull France out of NATO. Fucking freak in 2011 said that she admires Putin and defended Russia's annexation of Crimea, stating it wasn't illegal. She half-defended Russia's imprisonment of Navalny. She seems more angry about Mbappe, an actual French citizen, having an opinion on his country, than she is about that Russian tweet endorsing her party, Lol.

Having said that, in that article she does not say aid will stop completely, what she says is that France will absolutely not send troops into Ukraine and she also says that she will block French weapons from being able to be used on Russian soil, the latter is absolutely stupid and makes no sense unless you're a coward or actively trying to help Russia because America has already lifted that restriction and Russia has done nothing so why would you then go backwards on that? What Macron should do is let Ukraine use a SCALP on Russian soil and then say "see, they did nothing, so why are you trying to help Russia, Le Pen?"

Aside from troop deployments, Le Pen said her only “red line” on Ukraine was stopping France becoming a “co-belligerent” in the conflict via the use of long-range French missiles against targets on Russian soil. This sort of implies that she won't stop French aid completely, she'll just keep stupid restrictions on them that already exist (America still blocks long-range weapons from being used on Russian soil). But we'll have to see considering her history if that remains true, I'd say there's a real possibility that both America and France stop aid to Ukraine under the bullshit excuse of "peace" which only serves to help Putin, if Trump wins and Le Pen's far right party will get a majority but probably not enough to form a government.

Everything what I said would happen is happening, it's a weakness to be an incumbent government right now due to things like inflation affecting the entire world and the incumbent will be blamed for it, far-right parties will crop up and take advantage of the economic depression (and also use immigration as rage-bait) to get into power, often these far-right governments are aligned with Putin's view and people will vote in fascist governments thinking they'll fix all their problems (they won't) and I called this happening months ago and exactly why we should have been quicker on everything to do with Ukraine but centrist/left wingers always move so fucking slow and cautious and now we're in a scenario where we're having to dodge pretty massive bullets.

We dodged a bullet with Italy's Meloni who ended up still supporting Ukraine despite her previously pro-Russian stances, now we have to dodge a bullet with France's Le Pen and maybe Trump, maybe we dodge the bullets, but if we don't it'll be pretty fucking devastating blows to Ukraine and we can't keep bloody taking these risks by dragging shit out. Russia will support these far-right governments one way another, Russia will flood European countries with immigrants as their usual tactic and when people vote them in thinking they will fix the world, it's Ukraine who will suffer, Russia only needs one pro-Russian moron to get power in either America, Germany, France, UK and it's over for Ukraine.

Agreed and it seems like a far too easy way to win.