Biden vs Trump 2024 Political Platforms, Policies and Issues

[zorg1000]

Chrkeller said:

zorg1000 said:

Ok, it’s not a fact, it’s common sense. Anybody who tries to claim that forgiving student debt is anywhere in the realm of stripping women of rights or trying to overthrow democracy can’t be taken seriously.

Yes you did, these are direct quotes from your last few posts:

“ I mean each side trying to out extreme each other is beyond broken.”-this quote is directly saying the left is trying to be more extreme than the right and vice versa.

” Both parties are extreme and neither are focused on the middle class, which is the point.”-this is a typical “both sides” argument which doesn’t directly say they are the same but implies they are similar.

You claim I don’t read well but you didn’t even bother to go back and read what you previously said.

It’s not really a can of worms, you change from Electoral College to national popular vote and now you have to be appealing to a majority of Americans instead of having slightly more swing voters in a handful of competitive states. Gore had over 500k more votes but lost because of ~500 votes in a single state. Hilary had almost 3 million more votes but lost because of ~80k votes in 3 states. Biden had over 7 million more votes and only won because of ~80k votes in 4 states. Same goes for eliminating the Senate filibuster and eliminating partisan gerrymandering for the House. You put these things in place and it’s much harder for the party with a minority of votes to win or block the majority from enacting their policies.

Also, once again you ignore that big list of pro-middle class things Democrats passed or attempted to pass in the last few years.

Congrats!  You learned the difference between fact and opinion.

And I never said debt forgiveness was more extreme than abortion ban.  That is just a lie on your part. 

In fact what I said included:

"For the record I tend to agree with this particular opinion"

So yeah, you don't read very well.

Edit

And Electoral college is a can of worms.  If the system changes so does campaigning and voting behavior.  The linear extrapolation is foolish.  That isn't how science, human behavior and math work.  

I think you need to go back and reread our conversation from the start, here are the direct quotes in the back and forth about the left being extreme.

You: I mean each side trying to out extreme each other is beyond broken.

Me: It’s a false equivalence to pretend the current left & right are equally extreme.

You: People are entitled to think debt forgiveness, etc are extreme.

And honestly I think the overall argument is weak.  Being less extreme doesn't make one not extreme.  

Both parties are extreme and neither are focused on the middle class, which is the point.

Me: Debt forgiveness is not anywhere close to banning abortion or trying to overturn an election/incite an insurrection. If student debt forgiveness is your shining example of left wing extremism then you’re kind of proving my point.

My argument isn’t that one is less extreme, it’s that one has become extreme while the other has shifted from left of center to center left.

You: Extreme is going to viewed based on personal standards, which varies from person to person

Also, since you can't read very well, I didn't say I thought the left was as extreme.

Me: Anybody who tries to claim that forgiving student debt is anywhere in the realm of stripping women of rights or trying to overthrow democracy can’t be taken seriously.

you: And I never said debt forgiveness was more extreme than abortion ban.  That is just a lie on your part.

You absolutely did claim/imply that they are equally extreme in your first statement, I also never said you claimed debt forgiveness was as extreme as abortion, I said if that’s your best example then you are proving my point & that people who believe that can’t be taken seriously.

Also, it’s been a few posts now of you ignoring the pretty sizable list of things democrats passed/tried to pass that the middle class benefit from.