Biden vs Trump 2024 Political Platforms, Policies and Issues

[zorg1000]

pokoko said:

zorg1000 said:

I know that he does poorly in the polls and Democrats have been losing blue collar voters for quite a while, but that has literally nothing to do with your original statements.

“it's about people turning against the extremism of the Left.”

“ The Left essentially ignores people who didn't go to college but aren't unemployed and don't center their identity around some type of minority status. If you're in the lower middle then you don't really exist UNTIL election time, then the liberal media starts obsessing over "non-college voters" like some breed of vermin.”

“ most do not focus on the issues that are important to the working class as a group”

If you said that Democrats are bad at messaging and middle class Americans feel ignored than I would agree with you but you said the left is extreme and ignores people who didn’t go to college or are part of a minority group, that is just simply not true.

It literally has everything to do with what I said.  Do I need to do a paint-by-numbers?

A)  Democrats most often talk about things the working class doesn't like or isn't interested in and rarely talk about the stuff they do care about.  

B)  The working class feels ignored and less important to the Democratic party than other groups.  Democrats instead rush to talk about social issues that, again, are unpopular or irrelevant to the working class.

Judis and Teixeira have drawn much criticism (including in this magazine) for advising Democratic candidates to distance themselves from “woke” provocation espoused by what the economist Thomas Piketty calls the “Brahmin Left.” But just about every person I interviewed for this article said much the same. In 2021, the Center for Working-Class Politics surveyed 2,000 working-class voters in five swing states and concluded that “‘woke,’ activist-inspired rhetoric is a liability.” --https://newrepublic.com/article/180441/joe-biden-working-class-vote-2024 

c)  This becomes the identity of the Democrats in the eyes of many people.

I believe one of the articles I linked even said that the rare Democrats who focused on appealing to the working class did very well with that segment, which supports the idea that these are self-inflicted wounds.

There is plenty of evidence to back it up.  Deal with it or don't.

Interesting article, it seems like the saying “actions speak louder than words” isn’t true in this case. The major bills (actions) passed in 2021-2022 under a Democrat majority in Congress & signed into law by Biden are overwhelmingly focused on things that working class Americans benefit from/care about, yet they are more vocal about social issues which is hurting them among this demographic.

I don’t know how they fix it, as long as Republicans are actively trying to strip away people’s rights then Democrats need to fight them on these issues. I don’t think the answer is abandon marginalized groups but I suppose a more balanced mix of touting these accomplishments and defending rights is a winning formula?

Some of these social issues clearly benefit them though like reproduction rights. Running on abortion really helped them in the midterms and various special elections and I don’t think Republicans are doing themselves any favors by blocking federal protections for things like contraceptives or IVF.

I think the big issue is transgender rights, it took a long time for the general population to get onboard with gay rights and once things like the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell & Obergefell v Hodges happened in the early-mid 2010’s conservatives instantly shifted to attacking transgender people and I just don’t think the general populace is on board with it yet. In this case do you do what’s right or what’s popular?