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Chrkeller said:
zorg1000 said:

Chrkeller said:

I'm largely aligned with Pokoko's post.  My concern is liberals focus on small pockets of people and do not focus on the average person enough.  I could see this costing them the election.  

You guys are either joking or don’t know anything about the major bills passed under this administration.

American Rescue Plan

-$410bn stimulus checks

-$350bn state & local government aid

-$290bn expanded unemployment insurance

-$135bn expanded Child Tax Credit & Earned Income Tax Credit

-$170bn aid for K-12 schools & colleges

-$122bn vaccines & testing

-$81bn expanded ACA & COBRA subsidies

-$50bn small businesses

-$47bn housing/utility assistance

-$40bn public transit/airports/amtrak aid

Infrastructure Investment & Jobs Act

-$110bn roads & bridges

-$73bn power infrastructure 

-$66bn passenger & freight rail

-$65bn broadband

-$55bn drinking water

-$50bn western water storage

-$39bn public transit

-$25bn airports

-$21bn water & soil purification

-$17bn port infrastructure

-$15bn electric vehicle charging stations

-$11bn transportation safety programs

CHIPS & Science Act

-$200bn STEM, R&D & workforce development

-$78bn grants & tax credits for semiconductor manufacturing

Inflation Reduction Act

-$$350bn tax credits/loans/grants for businesses that invest in clean energy/transportation/manufacturing

-$64bn extension of expanded ACA subsidies

-$44bn Medicare out-of-pocket prescription cap

-$43bn tax credits for consumers (EV, solar panels, heat pumps, weatherproofing, etc.)

Honoring Our Pact Act

-$153bn expand veterans disability benefits

-$102bn expand veterans health benefits

Safer Communities Act

-$13bn expand access to mental health services


There is no way you can look at this list and think, “Liberals/the left/democrats have abandoned the middle class!” Many of the tax credits for individuals have income caps so high income earners can’t access them and many of the tax incentives/funding for corporations have mandates that various materials for projects be extracted/assembled in the US (or from a free trade partner if we don’t have said material) and have to pay prevailing wages.

Who do you guys think are doing all these projects? The Infrastructure/CHIPS/Inflation Acts are very much focused on creating jobs for people in the trades that usually don’t require a college degree and often members of a union. Asphalt workers, concrete workers, bricklayers, utility workers, installers, plumbers, heavy equipment operators, truck drivers, HVAC workers, electricians, linemen, pipefitters, assembly workers, builders, carpenters, bus drivers, landscapers, train conductors, material handlers, engineers, machine operators, welders, fabricators, blacksmiths, roofers, drywallers, painters, QA inspectors, safety inspectors, mechanics, rail workers, power plant operators, air traffic controllers, dock workers, cargo ship workers, etc.

That’s also not counting all the things that were proposed but were blocked like subsidized childcare, universal Pre-K, paid family & medical leave, continuation of expanded CTC, increased minimum wage, easier to join unions, tuition free community college, elder care funding, funding for increased housing construction, etc.

If you think liberals/the left/democrats are only focused on college graduates &  minorities then you have no idea what you’re talking about.

I know plenty about the bills being passed.  There is one that could close down one of our facilities.

But much like the other thread I'm out.  I'm not dealing with insults and disrespect because I see things differently.

A shame too.  Maybe one day people such as yourself might mature and wonder why Biden is losing in the polls.  

Is this one of those, “I have no actual rebuttal so I’m going to play the victim and leave” responses?

Nothing I said was any more insulting or disrespectful than the things you & Soundwave say to each other when arguing about video game graphics so get off your high horse.

It has nothing to do with you “seeing things differently” it’s about you and Pokoko making bold claims without providing any data or examples to back them up.

Sorry that I said you don’t know what you’re talking about but I gave like 30 examples of things that either directly or indirectly benefit working class Americans and instead of providing any counterpoints, you get offended by a very mild slight which just reinforces my opinion that you don’t know what you’re talking about.



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