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Pyro as Bill said:
SvennoJ said:

Anyway, Quest wouldn't have challenged the Wii. Simple motion controls for the blue ocean was the winning ticket and it turned out to be a fad. Nintendo failed to keep the audience they gained with the Wii, couldn't top Wii Sports themselves.

Nowadays everyone simply reverts to their smart phone to kill some time which is very much a solo affair. A better comparison than Wii vs Quest, Wii vs Smart phone. Could the Wii phenomenon still happen with everyone addicted to their smart phones... (Also a big reason holding VR back, can't browse/reply to my smart phone with a headset on...)

Huh? They topped Wii Sports with Wii Sports Resort and better motion controls. Motion controls clearly weren't a fad (Nintendo ignored it on WiiU with predictable results) and Nintendo more than anybody else sailed through the 'smartphone era' despite everybody and their dog predicting their handhelds wouldn't survive. Where's PSP these days? Oh yeh, Sony abandoned HHs for VR. Genius idea meanwhile Super Mario Run and Pokemon Go dominated the smartphone charts in the same way Nintendo's IPs would comfortably dominate VR - the most replayable games on VR could easily be described as Wii clones.

Not being able to see your phone and low pixel density aren't the barriers to mainstream adoption of VR. The phone thing is already solved. MQ 2 should have had Avatar 3D built in (is there a better 3D film?), allow HDMI inputs and promote that it's a 300" personal projector, get the 3DS version of Nintendo virtual console on there with it's 3D gimmick for classic games, lowkey promote the 3DS emulator. MQ2 does 95% of what MQ3 does so MQ4 isn't going to change anything.

My advice is to pick up a 2nd hand MQ2 on Ebay for ~£100, pirate one of the "AAA" games so you can see how overrated they are and use your limited HD space more efficiently. Once you get bored of Walkabout minigolf, sell the controllers for ~£100 so you get a free headset. Try some 3D movies. Buy a £8 usb HDMI capture card so you have a free 300" TV (latency is tiny). Connect any bluetooth controllers and DL the 3DS emulator to play your backups. I've struggled to connect it to PC for games with better performance/graphics but I doubt it'll change my opinion.

Wii sold 101 million, 3DS sold 76 million, Switch sold 141 million. Nintendo consolidated their business into one device, that's not growth.
Motion controls are also rarely used anymore on Switch. (and a pita ass when you do need to use them)

Wii Sports Resort was more like DLC, but it did sell 33 million copies, same as the Wii Balance board.
That's all Wii though. WiiU was fully BC, but crashed. Switch motion controls were disappointing. The controllers are too small for my liking. I'm glad I got the special edition TotK controller with the game, best upgrade for my Switch. I should have done that a lot sooner, BotW was not great with the joy cons.


Your last paragraph explains why VR is 'failing'. PCVR isn't getting new big budget releases since people don't want to pay for them. Quest is losing Billions every quarter.

I've watched 3D movies on PSVR, it's just as bad as in the cinema. The fixed stereoscopic view doesn't work long for me, good for a headache though. (Last 3D movie I watched in the cinema I had to take the glasses off repeatedly to rest my eyes. I rather watch double images on the screen than a stuck stereoscopic effect that doesn't react to head movement)

I wouldn't use a headset for big screen viewing either, but I've been used to having a projector for decades. Much nicer for movie watching and flat games. BotW was amazing on the big screen (bar from the joy con troubles, left one kept disconnecting, too far from the Switch doh)

Nah VR headsets are for VR, use em for what they are made for. GT7 still wows me in VR, Puzzling places recently had a resolution upgrade for PSVR2, looking very nice and sharp now while the puzzle packs keep getting better. Synthrider experience levels still blow my mind with the OLED screens. (And finally "Take on me" added!)

Quest is great for standalone use, yet I rather have the OLED screens. Once you go OLED it's hard to go back :/


Btw what do you mean with the phone thing has already been solved? I still see many complaints about no phone integration on Reddit. Requests for pip etc. I don't have a phone myself so no barrier for me haha.