the-pi-guy said:
Because Ryuu knows his stuff. He reads about Ukraine and Russia pretty much every day, and he posts about it a lot. I would not be surprised in the least if he's had a full 1,000 posts in the Russia Ukraine thread here. I would hope from how you talk about your math program, that you are pretty competent at whatever part of math you are studying. You might feel more than a little bothered if someone insisted they knew your math better than you did. All while complaining that they'll have to look up every result that you've claimed to make. Saying "I have a proof for this, but there's not enough space in this margin to write it" means nothing. I find it very troubling that this still seems like a game to you. That you seem to think we're just waiting for you to win or something. (oh give me a break. Just because I’m being playful in my remarks? What are you even talking about? What does it even mean I’m treating it like a game? I find debate to be fun, if that’s what you’re getting at. But I don’t see what’s wrong with that?) What would convince you that you were wrong, and that America isn't half as interested in the war as Russia is? More concise messages, so that I can realistically look into to every point thrown my way. :) If the answer is nothing, that's the problem. There's no point in having this discussion if no amount of evidence would change your mind. If the answer isn't nothing, then maybe Ryuu has those answers; maybe I would have those answers. But you probably have to put in some genuine effort to get those answers. I would be willing to change my position with substantial evidence, but nothing you've shown has outweighed Putin's own words, the actions of the Republican party or the actions of Zelenskyy. Far too much of your commentary is extremely speculative and conspiratorial at times. (Doesn't necessarily mean that it's wrong, but it's concerning when there's constant promises of evidence and very little actual evidence. Even more so when someone else seems to be effortlessly debunking quite a bit of your assertions.) fair enough lol. Again, time is short, so yall will provide your rebuttals and I kinda just have to take the “L” because I don’t have time to get into it. That’s the problem rn. It’s not like I’m unable to provide a sufficient response, I just don’t have the motivation to do such when I have other more important things to be focused on. |
(i’m responding to this guy.) “Because Ryuu knows his stuff.” He absolutely does not know his stuff. If he did, he wouldn’t have to drop the wall of China in all his responses. If he did, he wouldn’t constantly resort to insults in almost every single one of his sentences. (I’m aggressive, but not nearly that aggressive.) Almost every remark he makes dodges every point I make. He needs to learn to address points in a concise fashion, without instigating the other individual he is speaking with.
Also, yes, most of my commentary does read in a highly speculative manner (as does Ryuu’s, though he has the luxury to call back upon his sources), but it’s because I’ve already done the research and I’m not in the mood to dig it all back up just for some guy who is clearly deadset on not changing his outlook to dismiss everything and return to regurgitating his same lines. When asked whether there was further nuance to Putin than “He’s the bad guy!”, he simply told me that it actually is that simple: This is entirely irrational. And this is the guy who knows his stuff? Come on. That reads to me as Ryuu has fallen victim to an echo chamber, and has no interest in backing out now.
And listen to me when I say that I’m not one to completely dismiss the prospect that Putin may have some imperial desires. But based on what I have observed, it wouldn’t make sense for this to be the entire reasoning for it doesn’t help Russia’s bottom line, besides make Putin a little more popular. Sure, their economy has stood shockingly well in face of mass U.S. sanctioning, and their military remains powerful (indeed, this is an embarrassing display by the US how they miscalculated so terribly). However, the U.S. has truly gotten their wish of mass NATO support across the countries along the Russian border. The U.S. has firmly severed ties between Russia and the rest of Europe with this invasion, so now the U.S. has a stranglehold over the European economy, with China and Russia further isolated. And I can go on and on about this stuff, I can certainly provide resources, but it takes so long. How do you think I’m reaching these conclusions? I’m just sitting down, coming up with random thoughts that make sense, and sending them over? Absolutely not. I have a catalogue of info that goes beyond simply taking one guys word in a single tweet, or which goes beyond reading a single article from some Western/Russian outlet. I spend a sufficient amount of time looking into this information to be discussing the matter with Ryuu, and to say other is a complete cop-out intended solely to delegitimize any and all points I could make.
This is the exact reason why I don’t have interest in getting into all of this, because it’s so nuanced, and there are so many perfectly valid perspectives to have. Nobody has the answer, and to die on the hill of “I have it figured it” is a waste of my time to even deal with that. I feel awful being so harsh with this comment, and it’s for these reason why I’ll need to avoid this chat.
Edit: I have received a solution to all of this! I don’t like typing up all my responses to Ryuu…so what I will do going forward is video response. :) That’s easy. So I guess y’all better be ready for that.
Last edited by firebush03 - on 18 May 2024
