shikamaru317 said:
Ryuu96 said:
45% say no, Lol.
Those who vote to make it Ultimate only are likely already largely on Ultimate, the EU confirmed that the vast majority of Game Pass subscribers are already on Ultimate which accounts for 70-80% of Game Pass subscriptions. So changing it to Ultimate only won't change much for most people voting in that poll of which I imagine almost everyone glued into Jez's twitter account are on Ultimate, having said that, I don't think I would be too opposed to making it Ultimate only simply because I'm on Ultimate, Lol.
Those voting yes naively believe that Game Pass is the reason for the layoffs/closures that have affected the entire industry where Game Pass doesn't exist. Not to mention, what AAA day one releases? In 2021, Microsoft had Forza Horizon 5 which still sold great, over 1m in early access sales alone, Halo Infinite a F2P title, in 2022 they didn't have a single AAA release, in 2023 they had Starfield which despite Game Pass still sold great and the only new IP which charted in some sale metrics IIRC.
Can someone tell me a single Xbox IP that Game Pass has hurt? Do people seriously believe Hi-Fi Rush or Redfall would have sold millions if not for Game Pass? C'mon man. A niche title and a straight up bad title. I'll say again, even if Game Pass didn't exist these layoffs and closures would be happening, it's not about simply being profitable but being incredibly profitable, Microsoft says they closed Tango to streamline operations and focus on impactful IPs, aka Elder Scrolls/Fallout/Doom, Hi-Fi Rush doesn't fit into that even if GP didn't exist.
Feels like people turning on Game Pass, the most consumer friendly thing in gaming, despite multiple developers saying how much it has helped them, despite the fact that Game Pass itself is profitable, simply because it's the easy thing to blame and the naïve belief that it would change anything, that Microsoft won't have layoffs if they start suddenly charging us $30 for it or if they just kill it off.
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Yeah, it's a shame that Gamepass may end up changing in the end, I love it's incredible value, for a gamer with my budget it has been the best thing that has happened to gaming in my adult life.
I definitely think the bean counters will get their way in the end and some changes will happen, some combination of day one releases ending or being moved behind Ultimate, Gamepass prices rising a good bit over the next couple of years (especially ultimate prices if they do decide to lock day one releases behind Ultimate). Microsoft wants to see that ABK $70b+ paid off quickly, not over the course of decades.
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Yeah and people will be shocked when they make these changes and still have layoffs/closures, Lol. Look at Sony, they are having an incredible generation but they've shut down 4 studios in 4 years and have had hundreds of layoffs, how do people think Xbox is going to avoid that situation when the company which is currently pummelling them in the console market is also doing this?
Day one I'm fine with moving behind Ultimate only because I'm already on Ultimate and have NEVER been on the basic plan, also because according to the EU, the vast majority are on Ultimate anyway, I also expect Game Pass prices to rise but it's still incredible value to me so I'm willing to accept price increases to a certain point.
Like I said in my other post, there's other things that need doing too, streamlining the tiers, adding it to Steam, etc. They kill off day one releases though and I think I'm done with Xbox...Going back to having to buy stuff $70, I might as well just swap to Steam since they make everything cheap as fuck fairly quickly, Lol.
Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 14 May 2024
