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SvennoJ said:
zero129 said:

I dont know about the rest but since i know this part is bullshit compared to whats going on in gaza atm i can only imagine the rest is too and is you trying to downplay whats going on here.

@Ryuu96 knows a lot more about this but the ICC has issued arrest warrants against Putin and Maria Alekseyevna Lvova-Belova for the war crime of abducting children from Ukraine, which is one of the items in the Genocide conventions.
https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and

However the ICJ has not quite ruled that Russia's attack on Ukraine is plausible genocide
https://www.justsecurity.org/91781/taking-stock-of-icj-decisions-in-ukraine-v-russia-cases-and-implications-for-south-africas-case-against-israel/

That situation is more complex though as Russia accused Ukraine of committing genocide in the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts of Ukraine, which the court has also not decided on yet.

In a cunning twist, it [Ukraine] used Russia’s own disinformation against it, arguing that Russia’s false claims that Ukraine was engaging in genocide against members of the Russian ethnic minority in eastern Ukraine, which it had used to justify its unlawful acts of aggression, made for a “dispute” under the Genocide Convention that the Court should resolve. The Court agreed, and in its March 2022 order on provisional measures, decided that Ukraine’s claims were plausible and, among other things, ordered Russia to “immediately suspend the military operations that it commenced on 24 February 2022 in the territory of Ukraine”—an order Russia had entirely and predictably ignored.

Putin wants to erase the Ukrainian identity, which is what the genocide convention is for to prevent

But you're right the situation is quite different with Gaza. Ukrainians have the option to 'move out of the way'

As of December 2023, an estimated 3.7 million persons were living in internal displacement within Ukraine, with 80 per cent of all IDPs having been displaced for longer than one year and 39 per cent of all IDPs displaced more than once (IOM Displacement Tracking Matrix, 2024)

Hence fewer civilian casualties than in Gaza. Ukraine is also over 1600 times the size of Gaza.
In Gaza nearly the entire population (of 2 million) has been displaced multiple times in just 6 months.

However Russia carpet bombs and shells Ukraine just like Israel destroys everything in Gaza.
https://www.voanews.com/a/drone-footage-shows-how-russian-airstrikes-devastated-ukrainian-city/7594211.html

Anyway it doesn't matter which is worse, both need to end. The biggest difference is the West is (slowly) helping Ukraine to defend itself against Russia, while on the other hand defending and helping Israel in destroying Gaza.

Article II

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

  1. Killing members of the group;
  2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
  3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
  4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
  5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

It's genocide according to the UN's own definition but it's a bit of an "attempted genocide" because Ukraine is actually able to fight back unlike Palestinians so it is a much slower process, Russia has repeatedly said that Ukraine as a state, as a people, don't exist and obviously make attempts to wipe them out, the mass killings, the rapes, the poor conditions inflicted upon Ukrainians in occupied territories which force them to leave, the ecocide by blowing up dams contributes to that genocide, the forcibly abducting of children to Russia.

It was actually Ukraine who requested the court investigate Russia's claims of "genocide" in Donetsk and Luhansk.

Anyway, both situations are horrific, in their own way, the only difference like I said is that Ukraine can fight back and like you said, Ukraine can move, not even necessarily out of the country but they can move to "safer" parts of Ukraine still, Gaza Strip is a tiny strip of land, densely populated, surrounded by Israel and their only route out is via the sea (obviously not a good option) and Egypt who are barely letting them pass.

So there's way more civilian casualties in Palestine but Ukraine still has hundreds of thousands innocents killed by Russia (I'm counting soldiers because I consider the vast majority of those Ukrainian soldiers to be innocent), millions displaced out of the country, thousands of civilians killed and thousands of children abducted so it meets the definition of genocide in my eyes.

I don't really like making these comparisons though, both are horrific but they're also very different in their own ways, Israel needs less support, Ukraine needs more support. All I would want to say is that, Ukrainians are not the enemies of Palestinians and vice versa, Western hypocrisy is not Ukraine's fault and there are many who support Ukraine and are against Israel's current actions.