Israel-Hamas war, Gaza genocide

[Cobretti2]

SvennoJ said:

Cobretti2 said:

Because of the optics of singling out the protests and history of countries being against Jews trying to wipe them out.

Atm there is genocide in Ukraine, Sudan, Christians in Nigeria, Hazara Shias in Afghanistan, North Korea, Minorities in Myanmar, Uyghur in China, Ethiopia, Congo etc.

Yet no protests for these?  They don't exist because no one seems to care (hence why I said hypocrisy is human's greatest weakness in another post), but when Israel does it, it is wrong and protests break out all over the world? 

This is why the optics look bad, when you single out one genocide, especially against a race that was on the receiving end on genocide recently in our history.

The difference is, USA and Europe are not backing the genocide in Ukraine, Sudan etc.
USA and Europe are not defending the genocide in Ukraine, Sudan, etc.
USA is not using there veto power to protect the one carrying out the genocide.
USA is not sending 27 billion extra to Russia to carry on killing Ukrainians.
There is no destruction of international law to defend the genocides in Ukraine, Sudan, etc.

And more importantly, there are no daily images of children getting blown up and pulled out from under the rubble of houses bombed with US ammunition.


It's also the intensity, never before has a situation deteriorated so fast with so many deaths and destruction.

Ukraine after 2 years:

Key facts: As of 22 February 2024 (the latest data available), 30,457 civilians were killed and wounded, including 10,582 civilians killed in the conflict, including 587 children. A total of 9,241 people have been killed by explosive weapons with wide area effects, and mines and explosive remnants of war.

Gaza after 6 months:

https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/200-days-military-attack-gaza-horrific-death-toll-amid-intl-failure-stop-israels-genocide-palestinians-enar

The Israeli army has killed 42,510 Palestinians over the course of its 200-day attack, 38,621 of whom were civilians, including 10,091 women and 15,780 children. The bodies of several thousand are still stuck under the rubble, while thousands remain missing and are presumed dead. These statistics include the killing of 137 journalists, 356 medical personnel, and 42 civil defense personnel.


And since you call those other conflicts genocide, how is Gaza not a genocide?

Gaza exposed the West for its hypocrisy and double standards. You can condemn the other genocides, but not the one carried out by Israel and the USA.

Gaza is genocide, I was more referring that there are also other genocides happening and no one cares and is protesting against those ones like they are with Gaza.

Hypocrisy is my whole point, we are one race and to me they are all equally as bad irrespective of who is backing who in committing the act. The only way people will learn to think equally is if they put themselves in say a Judge's shoes. Consistent results must be the outcome of the same conditions. For example, a drunk driver runs a red light and kill someone, the Judge doesn't know them, he sentences them to 10 years jail. In another scenario the Judge's mother is the drunk driver, so if he sentenced one to 10 years (a stranger), to be consistent, he should also sentence his own mother to 10 years jail. Cannot have bias. I have asked a similar question of many people, your mother gets run over an you are the passenger in the same car, what would you do. A lot of people say they would beat the shit or kill the driver. hen I say ok it was your bother who did it, what would you do, their actions suddenly change.

Back on topic, World War 2 wasn't so long ago, there be people who still be alive and also first generation children of those who were in WW2. For most part, a lot of people suffered, but the Jews had it the worst. This is the stories people know and have lived. Their views are vastly different to those who are 2 to 3 generations since as those stories are no longer passed on in great detail or the impact that was felt is not the same as for most part these generations have not experienced war or the famine/rebuild that followed.

So when those people see such protests but not for the others, the optics appear to be anti-Semitic even though younger generations know they are not.

My grandparents hated Germans till the day they died as they experience WW2, my dad hates them because of stories his parents use too tell him right after the war when he was born. He also hates Russians because of the communist bullshit that he grew up under. I experienced that first hand and have similar feels towards Russia, my younger brother never did so he is different lol. My grandparents tired to make me hate Germans but in reality I could not relate to it as I did not experience it first hand. However for most part of my life I have lived in Australia and we are so far away from all the chaos the mentality here is so vastly different. Our biggest issues are kids parents complaining that private school have outdate hair cut policies. 

So what I am saying is that having grown up between these two world views, I can see why a lot of older people call it anti-Semitic but younger people don't.