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| Ryuu96 said: Goddamn...Some, especially left wing, Americans thinking their country rules the world and every country in NATO, especially in eastern Europe, is a brainless idiot who can't think for themselves, aren't in NATO because of Russian aggression but in it because America is controlling them. The war on UKRAINE was provoked because of AMERICA? Ukraine must be sitting here being slaughtered like "Wtf? When did we provoke Russia?" There's zero wrong with Ukraine wanting to join NATO, a defensive organisation. Russia doesn't get to decide that and there's nothing provoking Russia with that, the same Russia that has CSTO, a NATO equivalent, the same Russia that pulled troops from the Finnish border, the same Russia which let Finland join NATO and thus massively expanded its border with NATO, the same Russia that has nuclear-capable Iskander missiles in Kaliningrad.
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Firstly, watch your language at the start bud. Don’t wanna read that.
Second, chill lol. We’re discussing worldly affairs, and I can assure that neither you nor I are 100% hitting the nail-on-the-head. There’s probably more to it than NATO provocation, just as there is more to it than USSR glory.
As far as there being nothing wrong with Ukraine wanting the join NATO, I want to ask you this: What would joining NATO provide for Ukraine? List all the benefits they’d receive. I know for one, Ukraine would be allowed to place nukes on Russia’s border. With this on its own, there is reason for Russia to be outraged at this prospect: Are we forgetting the Cuban Missile Crisis? (And I say these things not to say Russia is just, but rather to explain Russia’s thought-process.) So with this in mind, I personally do not believe Ukraine has the right to join NATO. Nor should they be invited. All this does is put Ukraine in greater danger — we are poking a sleeping bear known as Russia — and increased the likelihood of nuclear fallout (let me remind you that we are talking about Russia, the country with the largest nuclear arsenal in the world).
