Biden vs Trump 2024 Political Platforms, Policies and Issues

[zorg1000]

Biggerboat1 said:

zorg1000 said:

I called it a gotcha because it seemed like you were fishing for a contradiction with my stance. I never said anything like more left=better or anybody to the right of me is selfish.

I also don’t feel like I’ve been “hurling insults”, I said one of his arguments was hypocritical and that he displayed a “fuck you, got mine” mentality. That’s really not that extreme.

As for good faith arguments, I’m not sure the person who generalizes people struggling with student debt as getting dumb degrees and lacking personal responsibility is really open to persuasion to begin with.

This all just comes off as overly sensitive tone policing.

I wasn't fishing for a contradiction, I actually think it's healthy to have an opinion or two that don't fit the consensus of a person's particular political group as it shows they're critically thinking about each individual topic, rather than just subscribing wholesale to the stance of whatever 'tribe' they see themselves as part of.

I'm not saying this applies to you btw, I'm just explaining that I wasn't trying to catch you out in any way.

I believe you also used 'selfish', but fair play, maybe 'hurling insults' is a bit on the hyperbolic side.

I think you're conflating 'bad faith' with what what you would perceive as 'uninformed'. If you think Chrkeller's stance is wrong then why not just provide evidence to the contrary or a counter argument, without the aspersions?

Anyway, I don't see much road left in this particular convo. As you can see from my post history, I'm not going around tut-tut'ing everyone for being mean or 'tone policing'. If someone is using unconstructive language in a debate about what process node the Switch 2 GPU will be manufactured on I don't really care.

However, I see politics as much more important & it truly terrifies me that the US could feasibly elect Trump again. I obviously don't live in the US but the UK is very much down-stream from a lot of what happens in the States. I'd love to see the left trying in general to be a bit more charitable/tolerant of divergent views (within reason of course) and bring people over, rather than condescend & risk driving people to MAGA.

I think it was someone else who said selfish but maybe it was me lol

Multiple users did that exact thing, tried to explain that there is a lot of nuance in this topic and a variety of reasons that people may find themselves struggling to pay off student debt, yet they seemingly doubled down on the “poor choices/personal responsibility” argument which is when the “insults” started.

I agree that we shouldn’t be pushing people away but if someone votes for Trump, 3rd party or sits out because a Biden voter said something mean online then that person probably wasn’t voting for Biden to begin with.

I feel it’s a massive stretch to think someone can be like, “Trump is awful and I don’t like his policies……but a Biden voter did call me a hypocrite on a video game forum that one time so now I’m conflicted on who to vote for!”