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Ryuu96 on 05 April 2024
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Bofferbrauer2 said:
Ryuu96 said:

Yeah, launchers are no issue, America alone has hundreds but obviously they need the ammunition, having said that, I don't really think they're going to need thousands of missiles, hundreds maybe? Patriots have to be layered with other air defence systems but the fact is that Patriot is the only AD that Ukraine has capable of intercepting Kinzhal IIRC.

All these countries with Patriots will obviously have ammo with them too and there are currently 17 countries fielding Patriot, with 2 more in the future. They obviously need missiles but the tweets aren't saying about finding missiles but the systems themselves, of which there's dozens out there, it's just about convincing countries to give them up.

There's a number of countries which should give an extra one up because they aren't in danger from anyone, America could easily give another one up but the aid package is being blocked by Moscow Johnson so they can't give barely anything away lately, someone may have to suck it up and acquire from America on behalf of Ukraine or Biden should figure out a damn away around Johnson.

When the F16s arrive in Ukraine, either they're going to need to arrive with a Patriot or Ukraine is doing to have to make the difficult decision of pulling back a Patriot to exclusively protect an airfield and some aircraft over defending cities and they already have to make that decision of using Patriot as an offensive weapon or defensive weapon because they don't have enough.

bolded: Afaik Iris-T can also do that - and apparently here at least Germany is sending more and more systems and rockets tu Ukraine, countering the lack of Patriots somewhat. Germany has sent 3 IRIS-T air defense systems out of 12 promised total (one every 6 months since October 2022, the next one being due this month btw, plus 2 out of 24 rocket artilley systems based on IRIS-T which uses the same guidance hardware, so they could be easily reconverted from SLS into SLM variants), so there would be no need to sacrify any Patriot systems to the Airfield used by the F-16.

Can it? I may have missed it but thus far I've only seen Patriot taking down Kinzhals, it was made a big deal of because it was the first time a Kinzhal was intercepted. In recent attacks, you can see how Kinzhals are basically not intercepted at all lately. There are other missiles with a lot of 0s too, not sure if those are also a lack of ammo or if they simply aren't capable of being intercepted.

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