Russia and Ukraine flashpoint

[Ryuu96]

Farsala said:

Ryuu96 said:

I also recognise that America isn't saying they'll stop supporting Ukraine for doing it (although, they aren't supporting them much at all at the minute) and so Ukraine can do it and only have to deal with America whining about it, but shitty comments like these just look bad on America, they make America look like cowards, they make America look like they aren't fully behind Ukraine to win this war.

This weak shit of America being like "We don't support the attacks! We don't encourage them! Please don't be mad at us!" is so demeaning and pathetic of the worlds largest and most powerful country in the world, one which Russia would be afraid of. Also, keep your damn opinion to yourself until you pass the foreign aid package, until then you don't even get an opinion on how Ukraine conducts its military operations.

If it's too hard for you, just copy Finland's homework and quote them word for word. - “If necessary, Ukraine should also strike military targets on the Russian side. It is a completely legitimate defensive battle that Ukraine is waging. The U.N. Charter allows military targets to be attacked across land borders,” Is that hard? Does America not know the U.N. Charter? Has America forgot what a war is?

I think for the public face say it is bad and then in secret tell Ukraine it is fine, isn't a bad strategy. It means UsA can supply many kinds of armaments, rockets and stuff and Russia can't get too mad at Nato. Of course Russia public face says they are fighting Nato still.

Jumpin said:

Ryuu96 said:

Chad Finland, Estonia, Latvia.

Finland: Ukraine is Free to Bomb Russia With Our Weapons – POLITICO

Estonia: West Should Allow Ukraine To Hit Targets In Russia With Western Weapons - Euromaidan Press

Ukraine Should Be Free to Hit Targets in Russia, Latvia Says - Bloomberg

Cowardly America: Please don't do that, Ukraine, Russia might get mad 😢

How do these 3 tiny countries have more balls than most of the West combined?

That’s what I think the political situation looks like for Western countries vs the more central countries. There is a permit for certain countries to have a combative relationship with the power countries without triggering nuclear war. This permit doesn’t exist for the US or other Western powers (Germany, UK, France, and others).

Also, the Baltics are in the next most desperate proximity to Russia after the Caucasian nations and Ukraine (perhaps Moldova).

I'm going to lump my two replies into one so apologies

I think it's still bad to say this publicly because it does make America's support to Ukraine look weaker and not only that, it makes America look weak, there are many other ways they could have answered this question in a way wherein they dodged the question, they could have used a variation of Finland's comment and instead just said "Ukraine is fighting a defensive war and has legitimate reason to attack military targets across the border, this is backed up by the U.N. Charter" but instead it comes more across like they're telling Ukraine off.

It's also unconfirmed they are telling Ukraine in secret that it is fine and it is likely they are telling Ukraine in secret not to do it as well, we already know that according to some countries, others are telling Ukraine that they can't use their delivered weapons on Russian soil, America has never been confirmed as one of those countries but I think it's pretty obvious that those countries are US, UK, France and Germany. Otherwise Storm Shadow/SCALP would have been used on Russian soil and it also explains USA's and Germany's reluctance to provide ATACMS and Taurus.

We shouldn't care about Russia getting mad about us sending certain weapons. They already said supplying Ukraine at all would be a redline, they already said that anti-tank missiles would be a redline, they already said that tanks would be a redline, they already said long-range missiles would be a redline, they already said that jets would be a redline. They get angry at every single weapon we send and do nothing about it. Even so, America still hasn't supplied Ukraine with ATACMS and Russia already spreads propaganda that they're fighting NATO.

All Russia cares about is power and in the public eye they consistently see countries like America and Germany cowering behind "escalation" and fear. Russia doesn't care about what the Baltics say if the Baltics say it alone, I'm sorry but Russia is not afraid of the Baltics, especially when the West doesn't have their backs. My counterpoint point would be that there's a bigger permit for UK/France/America to have a more firm stance against Russia, why? Because they all have nukes, Russia does not want a nuclear war no matter how much they pretend.

France has finally seemingly started to realise that, as a nuclear holding country they have a responsibility to be Europe's protector and take a firmer stance against Russian aggression because they can. Botox Putin who is afraid of sitting near people doesn't want to die in a nuclear hellfire, he wants to live as long as possible, there is no threat of triggering a nuclear war unless the West actually starts marching on Moscow and that fear of nuclear war exactly plays in Russia's favour because they use that to weaken Western support for Ukraine.

Russia has interfered in our elections, cyberattacked our countries, shot down a passenger jet with people from the West, attacked American troops in Syria via Wagner, assassinates people in our countries using deadly nerve agents, violates our airspace with missiles and all I hear from America and Germany is tutting and telling off at either Ukraine defending itself or being angry at eastern/central European countries for taking a firmer stance against Russia...Like...What's it going to take...?

All this stuff just makes me lose a bit of confidence in NATO to the point where I'd start to seriously question if some countries even send troops into Latvia to defend them if Russia invaded the country or instead they'd just send Latvia some weapons and say "use em, but don't use em on Russia, you can only attack Russian troops or infrastructure once they cross into your border" Lol. I should also note that, all these different opinions and comments on how Ukraine should operate isn't making NATO look united either.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 28 March 2024