Like I also said, he's a massive hypocrite to suggest disbanding NATO instead of leaving NATO. He's upset about America's foreign involvements but he wants to take away the choice from NATO countries to remain in NATO? The Baltics are in NATO because they're terrified of Russia and for good reason, we just had more countries join NATO because they're scared of Russia's aggression, what a fuck you to those countries. Congratulations on serving up Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania to Russia on a silver platter.
Ukraine wasn't in NATO. Ukraine wasn't anywhere close to joining NATO. The reason Russia invaded Ukraine had NOTHING to do with NATO but NATO has everything to do with preventing Russia from invading further into Europe. NATO outside of its own countries takes a cowardly approach so you can't even say that Russia is afraid of NATO when it comes to Ukraine. Ukraine never would have been able to join NATO as long as Russia illegally occupied Crimea and Donbas.
Fact: Ukraine gave up nukes in exchange for Russia's protection, see where that peace loving approach got them?
Moldova will be next if Russia succeeds in Ukraine because it's following the exact same path as Ukraine in that Russia generates a conflict in the country then later takes it over officially, a lot of humans are simply flawed and it's not anymore complicated than an evil bastard doing evil things, Putin wants to restore Russia's empire before his death, he wants to set himself in the history books, he has routinely said that Ukraine as a country doesn't exist, it has nothing to do with NATO and everything to do with Putin feeling like Ukraine is owed to Russia.
Christ I'm in UK, Russia isn't a threat to me but I at least recognise how the Baltic states feel and other countries closer to Russia, a lot of countries near Russia despise them for very good reason and WANT to be in NATO...This talk which acts like these countries can't think for themselves is quite frankly rude and condescending to them. Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, Czech Republic, Finland, Sweden, etc. Aren't controlled by big bad America, they WANT to be in NATO and have their own agency to choose so and do so because of Russia's aggression.
All us sitting in a circle in the UN building holding hands isn't going to stop wars.
One Final Addition.
Every single person who says "invest in peace-making" can never give an actual plan on how they're going to create peace either. It always amounts to basically "let Russia keep what they've stolen, demilitarise Ukraine, block them from ever joining NATO" Funnily enough, all things that would benefit Russia, then Russia would rebuild their forces and go again.
Russia has said repeatedly that their goals haven't changed, they still want Odessa, Kharkhiv, Sumy and Kyiv at a minimum. We should have backed Ukraine this strongly from 2014 when Russia illegally took Crimea, the West's pathetic response to that amounted to little and Russia realised they could do it again so built up their forces to take more of Ukraine and that's where were at today.
Zelenskky actually told Macron to negotiate with Putin on his behalf, to try to get peace, he asked USA to do the same, we tried as best we could to achieve peace but all of Russia's conditions are bullshit that don't guarantee Ukraine's protection and after how many atrocities Russia has caused upon Ukraine, how can you possibly tell them at this stage to give up and let Russia keep what it stole?
America also has a promise to protect Ukraine, do documented agreements mean nothing now?
According to Cornel West, America's agreements don't mean a damn thing.
This dude is as stupid as Corbyn on foreign policy and I say that as a former bigtime fan of Corbyn. Voting for Cornel West absolutely is not the only moral choice, Cornel West will have blood on his hands if it were up to him and he stopped assisting Ukraine, every single Ukrainian that dies because they lack ammunition for their soldiers, they lack ammunition for their air defences to protect their civilians, will be blood on Cornel West's hands.
Once again, you can't claim moral superiority just because you're able to look the other way as atrocities are committed. Neville Chamberlain MFs...Appeasement doesn't work against evil, how many times does this lesson have to be taught? Appeasement and cowardice is what emboldens fascists like Putin and results in more deaths than putting a stop to them from the very beginning.
I have no issue in saying that Cornel West is somehow even more dangerous than Trump when it comes to foreign policy and that's quite the achievement, though I do believe Trump wants to leave NATO as well but at least he tries to hide it, Lol. Trump has outright stated he wouldn't protect NATO countries attacked by Russia though and has said he wouldn't send another penny to Ukraine.
The far left often share the same foreign policy views as the far right though...
Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 26 March 2024
