Russia and Ukraine flashpoint

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Ryuu96 said:

RolStoppable said:

This week Germany's social democrats (SPD) have been raising the possibility of freezing the conflict between Ukraine and Russia. What followed the heavy criticism of the party consisted of super lame excuses, just as you'd expect when someone is saying something so incredibly stupid in the first place. What took the cake was the statement by Esken (SPD chairwoman or whatever her title would be in English), because in an attempt at damage control she said that she wants to make it absolutely clear that everyone's stance in the SPD is unlimited/unconditional support for Ukraine. She really said this when she should know that the SPD has tried to block new types of equipment for Ukraine at every step along the way, and when she should know that everyone else knows this too.

I guess the SPD was testing the waters, similar to how Macron has recently pushed in a new direction by not ruling out NATO ground forces in Ukraine; the obvious difference being that Macron acted in a pro-Europe manner while the SPD is moving in a pro-Russia direction.

In other news, some confidential knowledge regarding Taurus was allegedly leaked this week. Apparently Taurus requires a very complex system to work and this would have to be shipped to Ukraine, leaving Germany with next to nothing on their own and therefore compromising their own defense capabilities. I wouldn't be surprised if this was "leaked" by an SPD guy, because the party seems to get cornered more and more by the week and keeps desperately looking for a legitimate reason to not deliver Taurus to Ukraine.

I remember when people kept telling America to send Abrams and America kept creating excuses, at one point they said something to the effect that it wouldn't be effective at all in Ukraine, the Ukrainians won't be able to use it well, anyway, all the excuses for Taurus remind me of the excuses thrown out for every other piece of equipment over the past 2 years, just fake excuses to hide behind.

Once again, South Korea and Spain have Taurus missiles.

Look, at this stage, we all know the real reason is that Germany doesn't trust Ukrainians to operate Taurus independent of the Germans, therefore Germany wants control over them, however, Germany doesn't want to do that, so why don't they just give Ukraine full control? Back to the root of the issue, they don't trust Ukrainians to not use it on Kerch Bridge (or Russian soil).

And it seems they don't even trust Britain, their ally, to take control of operations for them, that way Germany can pretend its hands are clean and its soldiers aren't involved, UK can take the blame but not even that is good enough for Scholz, he doesn't even trust UK not to be like "go on Ukraine, bomb the bridge, we won't tell Germany" Lol.

Bridge should be bombed anyway, as should Russia, stupid redlines that don't make any sense.

Also if true that the "system is so complex" that there is only ONE of them that would need too be sent to Ukraine that can compromise Germany, then it's a pretty badly built system. what if it was in Germany and was destroyed does it mean the whole thing is fucked lol?