Zkuq said:
I'll just mention that here in Finland, support for Ukraine is widely agreed from the left to the populist right. The exceptions are, as far as I know, pretty much - if not completely - outside the parliament, because the importance of Ukraine for our own safety, as well as for the safety of Europe in general, is recognized. For us, Russia getting through with its goals in Ukraine poses an existential risk, which we simply cannot entertain. I guess we could also just bend over and kneel before the might Tsar, because that'll save lives, but curiously, that's not exactly a popular opinion here (in fact, I've never even heard anyone you can take even remotely seriously suggest that). I guess it can look quite different the farther you are, especially if there's a whole ocean between you and Russia, and some parties find ways to utilize that leeway they can get because there's no imminent threat against you in at least decades, possibly not ever. It's easy to gain popular support when you don't have to be responsible for the long-term consequences. |
Here in UK, Tories and Labour are pretty much only united in their support of Ukraine, which shocked me about Tories at first considering their Russian donors, Lol. Only politician really that I've seen say dumb shit about Ukraine is Corbyn and I was once a big fan of his. So in the UK, support for Ukraine is largely across both the right wing and left wing and there's no mainstream party which leans towards Russia.
But UK and Russia do seem to have a special hatred towards each other, Lol and it helps that UK is more economically isolated from Russia, like, we really didn't have much need economically to pursue a relationship with Russia. Then when you add on Russia constantly threatening us (for some fucking reason), then having the gall to brazenly assassinate multiple people on UK soil with radioactive material and nerve agents.
Safe to say from my experience at least, many Brits hate Russia.
Republicans have gone so far off in the deep-end though.
I agree with you. Some people are so sheltered in the West. It's so easy for some in Western Europe/Americas to say certain things because they don't know what it feels like, or they've forgotten what it feels like, they have no immediate threat towards them, in order for there to be one, there's multiple countries between them that would have to fall first.
It's so easy for someone in Canada, America, UK, France, Germany, etc, to tell Ukraine to surrender.
They don't understand how Ukrainians feel at all, they don't understand the situation Ukraine is in, they don't understand how eastern Europe feels because they in the West aren't in danger, at all, they don't understand the privileged position that they're in to say these things. It's also why it frustrates me when I see countries in eastern Europe doing more than those in the West on a % basis.
Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 09 February 2024
