FarleyMcFirefly said:
Bad things are bad. I can tell this site is left leaning because of how everybody keeps putting words in my mouth. How there were comments about Tucker being a fascist and a white supremacist (based on what exactly;also those terms are so worn out they have lost all meaning). There is evil in this world. Conspiracies happen. Labeling them all as theories is just a cheap write off. I am open to questions. Again what true colours? You are heavily implying that I am okay with genocide, which is another far leftist tactic. |
"I knew I'd get steam rolled in this thread, because this site seems to have mostly left-leaning opinions."
This thread which is largely about supporting Ukraine in their defence against an aggressor set on committing genocide on them and you for some reason believed you'd be steamrolled in the thread because of our left leaning opinions....What exactly are the left leaning opinions in this thread? Or did you just throw that out as a random attempted dig?
Yeah, Tucker is a white supremacist and defending him doesn't help you hide your true colours either.
People tend to write off things as conspiracy theories when they both have no evidence and also don't even make any biological, scientific or any other sense, which are both descriptors of the Russian biolab conspiracy theories which even Russia themselves have dropped. Next you're going to ask us if we can be 100% sure that Ukraine isn't using birds to kill Russians (another gem of a conspiracy theory Russian mentioned).
You want this war to end, I have no doubt about that, but are you that naïve that you believe surrendering would mean peace for Ukraine? Are you that naïve that you will take Russia for its word that it won't invade again later? After they've already broken a promise to Ukraine before, in writing, to provide them with security guarantees. You can't be that naïve that you'd take Russia for anything it says or signs now.
The only way to guarantee a post-war Ukraine is safe, is either NATO and/or the complete defeat of Russia on the battlefield and restoration of Ukraine. Negotiating with a fascist dictator after he has already broken a promise in writing, invaded your country once in 2014 and then did a full scale invasion in 2022? Here's how that will go...
Russia Invades Crimea
Oh well, it's only Crimea, lets have peace and negotiate.
Russia Invades More of Ukraine (Taking Donbas, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson)
Oh well, it's only 4 extra regions, lets have peace and negotiate.
Russia Restores Their Army, Invades Again (Taking Kharkiv, Sumy, Mykolaiv and Odessa)
Oh well, it's only 4 extra regions, lets have peace and negotiate.
And the cycle will continue, oh and lets not forget, Russia still publicly to this date says that their goals haven't changed and they want Kyiv/Whole of Ukraine, they in particular mention wanting Odessa a lot too so that they can cut Ukraine off from the Black Sea. Are you that naïve? Really? Because a lot of people who say this, I can't help but wonder if they really are this naïve, or if they simply either want Ukraine to lose or do not care.
And to the last point. UKRAINE DOES NOT WANT TO SURRENDER.
Who can blame them? Russia came into their country, destroyed their lives, turned their lives into nothing but fear, anger and sadness. Russia has killed hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians. Publicly trashed their culture, their country. Stolen thousands of Ukrainian children from Ukraine. Routinely bombs their cities, their infrastructure, in an attempt to freeze them to death. Doesn't hide that they want to kill all Ukrainians, very publicly says it. Stolen large swathes of their land. They've killed men, women and children without a care in the world.
Thousands of Ukrainians have fought for literally everything, their lives, their culture, their country, their people, their freedom and you're telling them "ah just stop, Russia can have what it took" meaning all those soldiers died for nothing? Their parents lost their children for nothing? How can you say that to any Ukrainian mother who has lost all her children defending their country.
Until Ukrainians wants to surrender, everyone else should STFU quite frankly.
Would you honestly tell that of Canada? If Russia invaded Canada and murdered hundreds of thousands of Canadians, stole 15% of your land, would you say "lets just have peace and compromise with them" cause I sure as shit wouldn't if it was a country in UK, I would want UK to fight until every single Russian soldier is kicked into the Atlantic Ocean.
Finally. They won't be a global war unless Russia attacks a NATO member and if they attack a NATO member then that's their decision and they only have themselves to blame and if Russia did attack a NATO member then I would want UK to come straight to their defence because that would be the right thing to do.
