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firebush03 on 27 January 2024
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sundin13 said:
firebush03 said:

firstly: “I’ve always hated the ‘both sides are bad’ argument, because elections have very real consequences.” Who’s to say you can’t despise both sides without casting your ballot? Yes, the abortion point is a great example as to why people *who care about the rights of women to have access to abortion* should go out and vote…however, my entire vote isn’t based on a single issue. That is, I will refuse to show my support to the Democratic Party until they nominate a candidate who promises change: The consequence of submitting to the elite and voting for whoever puppet they set up is status quo. I am not satisfied with status quo, as all it leads to is opposition parties who stand fundamentally against what I believe in emerging, taking power, and knocking us back even further. Biden has only be problems when it comes to addressing carbon emissions, despite standing on a platform of supporting otherwise: He therefore becomes a bad representation for my case in ideal governing, for he fails to enforce what he promises. Biden has only been problems when it comes to addressing forever wars: He blindly submit to *anything* the governmental bodies surrounding military request (he’s too old for this, he does not care even slightly about what’s going on around the world). Biden had done next to nothing to enforce legislation which would overturn state-level legislation on abortion: The Supreme Court is not a binding body, and the power of the executive far exceeds that of which the Judicial holds (case-and-point: Trail of Tears).

secondly: “MAGA government is fundamentally different from a Democratic government.” Care to elaborate? What policies would be changed beside social issues? I care for our oppressed, but that’s not everything.

So, you are willing to trade women's rights for the theoretical prospect of future change which may somehow come if you don't vote? Because that is basically what the "they are both bad so I'm not voting" argument amounts to: The negative consequences of a MAGA government are a price you are willing to pay in order for the assumed increased chance of future positive change. 

In regards to some of your other points:
-Biden passed the largest green energy bill in this country's history
-I agree that Biden has a lackluster foreign policy track record but leaving Afghanistan is not nothing, and I support continued investment in Ukraine. There is little evidence that Trump would be an improvement in this category.
-What exactly would you like to see Biden do in regards to state-level legislation on abortion, beyond what he has done (which, again, there have been actions taken in regards to the necessity for hospitals to provide life saving abortions, actions which have expanded access to medication abortion, expanded access to abortion travel for federal employees and the appointment of pro-Roe supreme court justices, which is not nothing)

Finally, what would be different under a MAGA government:
-Healthcare
-Taxation
-LGBTQ rights
-Women's rights
-Immigration
-The continued existence of our democracy

How much are you looking for?

I’m sorry, I don’t want to waste my time debating political matters. (at least not publicly. If there is like a DM system in here, then sure. But not on a public forum.)

In short, you really don’t make any points of substance, rather you serve as a “useful tool” for the DNC and their “brownie points”. I’m looking for *real* change, not some politicians who only commits to symbolic gestures.

(i) Yes, Biden may have passed some green energy bill (which itself was gutted by Manchin in the Senate)…but he also ramped up oil drilling and such to an unprecedented degree. One incremental bill over four years? Lmao no thanks, I’m not pleased at all.

(ii)…the withdrawal from Afghanistan? Brother, the sanctions they have placed on Afghanistan have literally led to a humanitarian crisis. Additionally, the departure plan was agreed upon under Trump: he knew it would’ve been a disaster for PR had he dealt with the black back from Afghanistan, so he delayed it to post-2020 election. Biden’s hands were ultimately tied, and yet he still made a horrible out of a good.

(iii) i have no idea, I’m kinda talking out my back at that point lol. I have heard that Biden’s hands weren’t tied, though I’m not looking to die on this hill, I honestly don't care enough.

As for what would be different under Trump? Taxation is the same between Biden and Trump, healthcare is the same between Biden and Trump, LGBTQ rights have not changed under Biden and barely worsen under Trump, Women’s rights weren’t improved because of Biden because he literally did nothing to address the Roe situation, immigration…(?)I don’t know what there is to say was good or bad lmao, LMAO the continued existence of democracy?? brother, Trump can’t do anything. not only that,…you actually believe we live in a democracy?? There is no democracy: the RNC and DNC stoke division amongst the people, everyone chooses a side on these issues, and that’s our democracy. Are you Team America or Team Woke? Are you looking to fight for Democracy at home and abroad, or do you want the dictator Trump to ruin everything? Give me a break lmao, I’m done.