| Machiavellian said: I know Hama is not in the west bank that is not what I am saying. It doesn't matter where Hamas is as long as they take action against Israel, Israel will continue to use them for their efforts in the west bank. Meaning that unless Hamas could actually make a real difference, only thing they are doing is giving Israel free reign to commit the crimes they are doing. Right now, Palestinians are in such a weak position that their efforts actually is detrimental to any movement towards a balance in the region than anything else. It makes it easier for other countries to use them either for no action or turning a blind eye. Not sure if the US having Military bases has anything to do with anyone loving or supporting the US. The US force those bases in most of those regions and its not really a peace keeping force as its a force for US interest. Going up against the US in this matter has no real politcal consequences since the US has no reals means of retaliation based on the situation in Israel. If a nation does not do something its because of their own interest or non interest in the region more than anything else. |
Movements like Hamas will continue to rise up as long as the apartheid and settler movement goes on. And if it's not Hamas it's the PA and UNWRA Israel will (and already does) blame.
Hamas has accelerated the end game in this 75 year long drama. They can indeed not make a real difference on the ground, however Palestinians have never seen as much support as today. Palestinians have been getting in a weaker position ever since 1948. Hamas fighters all turning themselves in and releasing the remaining hostages would at most turn the situation back to right before October 7th. Except with a lot more hatred from both sides.
Change wasn't coming from within since hasbara made sure Palestinians were never getting any support. It's always been damned if you do, damned if you don't for Palestinians. People from Gaza have tried peaceful protests only to get their knees capped by Israeli snipers.
"It makes it easier for other countries to use them either for no action or turning a blind eye." I disagree. The Palestinian issue is very much back in the news and the global mindshare. From eroded to almost forgotten during the Pandemic and Ukraine war, people are now starting to see what has been going on for decades.
Hamas is also to blame for keeping the conflict going. But what is the alternative? People fight back, people want to be free from oppression. People want to have hope of a better future, not sit out their lives in an open air prison.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/06/14/gaza-israels-open-air-prison-15
"Not sure if the US having Military bases has anything to do with anyone loving or supporting the US."
So the US has occupation forces in 80 countries? If those countries didn't want the US there they could politely ask them to leave. Even Iraq rather keeps the US presence there, there at the request of the installed government. If anything, US bases also work as a lightning rod :/
But sure it's not so much loving or supporting the US.
"Going up against the US in this matter has no real politcal consequences since the US has no reals means of retaliation based on the situation in Israel. If a nation does not do something its because of their own interest or non interest in the region more than anything else."
It makes it easier for other countries to point the finger at the US. Other countries face less political (support) consequences with the US green lighting Israel and trying to keep the lid on escalations. So yes, many other counties, including Canada, are fine with the status quo. (I recently signed another petition for Canada to stop the arms trade with Israel, both ways) And they can simply hide behind following the US' lead, or say it doesn't matter what we do since the US will veto and support Israel anyway.
If the US says, enough is enough and actually means it, other countries will also follow. Fact is, other countries follow the US' lead, see the formation of the current Red Sea coalition fleet.
