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smroadkill15 said:
Kyuu said:

Oh I actually have a fair idea, and I explained how. You said Halo Infinite and Forza Horizon 5 would be the first BIG system sellers on either platforms, ignoring Miles Morales which had great legs at the time of your post. Meaning: you thought these two games would be the notably bigger deals. They weren't.

They say "haters gonna hate" and you're like the embodiment of this right now, as you fail to grasp rather uncomplicated points by clinging onto silly semantics and trying to make something out of nothing. I didn't "backtrack":

"A next-gen version of a multplat CoD would do nothing to a new Xbox."

Keyword "Multiplat". If CoD does stay multiplatform, I don't think it would do much to an all new Xbox in terms of gaining marketshare vs Playstation, because most people will still buy them on their preferred platforms, and most of those who want to jump to the new generation will go for PC or wait for the PS6. A very small minority will switch from PC/PS to Xbox. Are you upset that I said "nothing" which is a figure of speech meaning "VERY little"?

"Actually, even a CoD that skips Playstation consoles would not necessarily result in a massive increase to the new Xbox's baseline."

Emphasis on "Necessarily" and "Massive".

Sorry but I'm not backtracking from either of these opinions! A CoD that skips Playstation and remains on PC would help Xbox gain marketshare (especially when compared to the scenario where it stays multiplat), but it won't "necessarily" be enough to bring Xbox close to Playstation levels, so it may or may not be a "massive" increase. You act like there is no middle ground between small and massive.

My last sentence was an attempt to explain that a lot more was going on between Xbox 360 and PS3 than just CoD marketing deals. Even as a Playstation gamer myself, I bought a X360 and played more games on it than on PS3. CoD had nothing to do with that. During the PS4 generation, the majority of games that were marketed for Xbox ended up selling a lot more on Playstation. I'm not saying marketing deals have zero benefits, but they don't matter as much as you suggest. I'm more interested in the GamePass effect but I won't hold my breath here either. You're free to feel different about it.

Funny that for a "console warrior", I think PC is more responsible for Xbox's decline than Sony/PS5. Perhaps you should address me as a PC fanboy going forward.

I said, first big system sellers for xbox. I didn't say or mean they were the first big system sellers between both platforms. 

I never said or suggested, CoD marketing would bring xbox closer to playstation in any significant way. It would take much more than some 3rd party deals for this to happen. Once again, you bring up playstation when I never made any kind of comparison to begin with. You know discussions can be made about Xbox and Playstation without bringing up or comparing them to one another, right? 

I'm aware of what you mean by nothing. Like I said, both companies fought hard to get the deal passed or blocked for a reason. I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest a Cod marketing/GP would give xbox a 5-10 million console boost over a generation. If that's nothing to you, then okay. 

I'll address you however you decide to present yourself. I'm going to move on now. This is going nowhere since you are laser focused on turning this into a console comparison when it was never my point. 

No. You compared the two consoles and said (paraphrasing) MS would release two big system sellers before Sony releases their first, which in your mind was going to be either Ragnarok or Forbidden West. When I noted Miles Morales, you ignored my post, acting like Sony released nothing big on PS5 before 2022.

I bring up Playstation as a measurement of popularity and marketshare. PS5 is the direct competitor, and had an average baseline of well below 2x that of Series XS before 2023. If comparisons to the direct competitor bother you, just say the word and I'll never mention Playstation again (unless it's virtually unavoidable like it is in the end of this post) and instead compare it to its own typical baseline.

If Starfield couldn't raise Xbox to a decent baseline (it's significantly declining over a weak year, and an awful Q4), CoD marketing shouldn't do it either. A CoD marketing deal in the middle of the generation would not add anywhere near 5-10 million Series XS sold lifetime. More like 500k tops (maybe 1-2 million for a next generation Xbox), in addition to a few hundred thousand new CoD buyers from the existing Xbox fanbase. CoD deal selling 5-10 million extra Xbox consoles is achievable if CoD skips Playstation, or if Sony royally screws up the PS6, of if GamePass suddenly explodes in popularity. And while I wouldn't call 5-10 million "massive", it's certainly not "nothing" lol.

Last edited by Kyuu - on 07 January 2024