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Random_Matt said:

This gen is selling poorly. Nvidia's answer? Let's release some even more expensive editions.

As far as I'm aware, the 4080 Super and 4070Ti Super are supposed to replace the vanilla variants and the same price. In theory we should see more performance for the same price, but we'll see how it really goes.

The 4070 Super should coexist with the vanilla version, and that will be more expensive.

Bofferbrauer2 said:

JEMC said:

Well, the gap between AMD's 7600 and the 770XT GPUs is big enough to fit the 7600XT and bring some fight to Nvidia's 4060, but I don't see where they'll be able to fit something like the 7800.

The hypothetical 7700 would depend on how well the 7600XT performs.

I think the 7600XT will be an overclocked 7600, similar to the 6650XT over the 6600XT, but with twice the VRAM. Since the chip is already using the full amount of CU and the next one is much bigger, I doubt AMD will use a cut-down Navi 32 for this one and stay with the Navi 33.

The 7700 meanwhile should probably be the same chip as the 7700XT, but with more CU deactivated and lower TBP. I'm thinking something like 48CU and a TBP of 200W. The bigger question for me is if they stay at 12GB VRAM or go down to 10 like the 6700 non-XT did.

The 7800 could be something along the line of a "green" 7800XT, so same amount of CU, but with lowered clock speeds and TBP.

Alternative: New chips with Navi 3.5. But outside of the 7600XT (and 7500-7400 low-end GPUs), I don't see the point.

Let's not forget that Navi 33 is monolithic while Navi 32 is based on a more chiplet design, so yeah, an overclocked Navi 33 for the 7600XT would make the most sense.

The 7700, as I said, depend on how much of an improvement the 7600XT is over the 7600. Looking a bit around, there seems to be roughly a 40% performance difference between the 7600 and the 7700XT. If the 7600XT relies on higher clocks and more memory (I doubt the 7600 is limited by it at 1080p), I'd be surprised if it manages to bring a 10% improvement, leaving another 30% in there to for that theoretical 7700.

The biggest problem, at least in my view, is the price of these new cards. If we look at the MSRP, the 7600 is $270, the 7700XT is $450 and the 7800XT $500. How are you going to fit not one but two new GPUs, the 7600XT and 7700 in $180? Even worse, the 7700XT is an upsell for the 7800XT so, how can you fit another card in those $50 without making it completely irrelevant?

Either AMD will launch these new cards with price drops for the 7600 and 7700XT, or the new cards will cannibalize each other.