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XtremeBG said:
Phenomajp13 said:

Stop making things up, the PS2 has officially sold 155.1 million as of March 2012. Anything above that is pure speculation. It is not between 159 million and 161 million, that is completely made up. Is it above 155.1 million, yes because the PS2 was discontinued January 2013. Zhuge seems to be a trusted source for these figures but his evaluation was incorrect. has a thread about the mistake they made but in summary Zhuge assumed the PS2 may have not been down the fiscal year April 2012 to March 2013 because Sony didn't mention the PS2 as a "significant" reason for why Sony hardware had declined that fiscal year. Zhuge speaks english but I believe it is their second language. This is important because it begs the question of why someone would expect Sony to name a 12 year old console's decline as a "significant" reason instead of the declining PS3, or a declining Vita, or a dead PSP? All of those platforms would obviously be more "significant" reasons for Sony's declining business instead of a 12 year old PS2. Fiscal year ending March 2012, the PS2 had sold 4.1 million. So Zhuge entertained the idea that it could have been flat or even up (because Sony didn't mention it as down) allowing the range to be possibly between 159 and 161 million but that is incorrect because Sony never commented at all. Now heres the fun part of how bad Zhuge's analysis was truly, you realize if the PS2 was discontinued by December 2012/early January 2013 then that means the PS2's final year was missing an entire quarter (January 2013 - March 2013)? How in the world can you explain the PS2 selling 4.1 million in its 12th year (April 2011 to March 2012) with a full 4 quarters but then matching that or even exceeding that in its 13th year (April 2012 to December 2012/early Jan 2013) missing an entire quarter? We simply don't have enough evidence to pinpoint PS2, what we know is the PS2 exceeded 155.1 million as of March 2012. Whatever it did above that is unknown.

I won't get into explanations. But get this, many people here and on the web already explained how they get to the 159 to 161M number. Also outside of this here on VGChartz the PS2 is at almost 159M. So you are calling VGChartz data wrong if you disagree. Also for the Switch to be called the best selling console by all people it has to undisputedly beat the PS2 number, and since there is big unclarity over the PS2 numbers, 160M will be "safe zone" where everyone can agree it is outsold the PS2.

Vgchartz data are estimates, of course it's wrong. I don't care what you claim the Switch needs to do, the PS2 is 155.1 million as of March 2012 and until Sony says otherwise that is end of discussion. You don't get to move the goalpost as high as possible because of console warrior fear. You would never give the Switch a chance regardless of it's performance because you are moving the goalpost as high as possible just in case. The very thread about PS2's lifetime sales on this site doesn't mention 161 million but you continue to include it in your range for obvious reasons. As I already stated and a poster above just proved, the 4.1 million minimum is the proof of Zhuge's false assumption. The PS2 could be 156, 157, 158, or 159 million. We simply do not know. Switch needs to hit the 155.1 million and then it's up to Sony to clarify. Looking forward to seeing you in that thread and seeing what you have to say about the new information. Basically PS2 above 160 would put Vita below 12 million. We have accurate figures for all Playstation consoles besides Vita and PS2.

Last edited by Phenomajp13 - on 19 December 2023