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HoloDust on 13 October 2023
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Spike0503 said:
HoloDust said:

I haven't ranked my favourite games in ages - it is lengthy process, I use Pub Meeple ranking engine, which is best for boardgames, since it can draw data directly from your BoardGameGeek account, but it can be used for anything with custom list - it is "choose one from two items" process, and then it goes on like that for quite a while comparing items from your list, until it finally, after lot of iterations, makes a list - the more items you have, the lengthier the process.

Anyway, Fallout 1 and 2 come up fairly frequently on top places - I like Fallout 1 somewhat more, cause it was first and that first playthrough when you don't know much about that world, and the clock is ticking, was one of the best gaming experiences I ever had. But I find Fallout 2 to actually be a better game - it expanded on the world and on the gameplay quite a bit, giving you more freedom to tackle things differently, and is, to date, one of the games that does best representation of what RPGs are about. So much that my younger son (15y), after playing Baldur's Gate 3, which he enjoyed, decidedly announced that Fallout 2 is "much better CRPG". Made me proud.

I do however find that Fallout 1 and 2 are somewhere in the 8-9/10 range. Now, I'm am bit on a harsh side with scoring, even with my most beloved games, compared to current distorted standards where everything is "10/10 masterpiece", and while RPGs are notoriously hard to make properly, I do find that there was still lot of things that could be improved and built upon in following Fallouts - if there was actually to be Fallout 3. We all know how that went, with Interplay going bust.

Such a pity Bethesda got their hands on IP, they really never understood (or didn't give a shit) what is the core of Fallout - “My idea is to explore more of the world and more of the ethics of a post-nuclear world, not to make a better plasma gun.”  / Tim Cain, creator of Fallout

I appreciate Fallout 2 but I don't consider it better than the original. In fact, I consider it a much more diluted experience. It's a bigger, more ambitious game for sure but the story doesn't pack a punch like the first game does (and it has several issues which I won't go into to avoid ranting lol). Plus, the amount of stuff they re-used from the original game, particularly the whole OST to the point of using a non-important track from the first game as the track for the final area of the game. For someone like me who really likes gaming OSTs, that was just unforgivable!

But still, Fallout 2 is a good game and I enjoy playing it from time to time. It's just not as good as the first game for me. Also, congrats on having a son who appreciates older games! If my wife and I ever end up having children, I sure hope I have your luck! lol Agreed 100% on Bethesda getting the IP. I remember years ago being so hyped to finally play Fallout 3 when I got my PS3. While it ended up being a fun game, the story didn't feel like Fallout and they screwed the pooch big time with the ending by

Spoiler!
not letting you save yourself with your mutant companion UNLESS you have the stupid DLC.


Screw Bethesda! Really. I don't have an Xbox so I guess I won't be playing the next Fallout but I wish they would leave it in the hands of Obsidian who are also a part of MS nowadays. Those guys really know how to make a Fallout game.

I replay them about equally, still think FO1 has better story, but FO2 is generally more open to how you do things (plus all the obvious gameplay fixes). I wouldn't mind Bethesda's Fallouts if they were reskinned and called something else, but I honestly don't find them to be good Fallout games. Now that both inXile and Obsidian are under MS, I do hope we'll get to see another Fallout that is more akin to originals - especially after all the media raving about BG3, maybe they will use momentum and convince higher-ups that there is market for old school isometric Fallout CRPG.

Yeah, I had luck with younger son, he likes to talk with me about games, about whats and hows, and likes to try them out for himself. He really loved FO1/2, but, for example, he couldn't get into Gothic 1/2, another favourites of mine that I tend to praise so much as well. Lately he's been talking about wanting to play TES II: Daggerfall - he didn't liked Skyrim, found Morrowind's scenery "too weird", so maybe he'll hit it off with the old classic. I'm more of a Might & Magic fan, but good for him.