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NATO's Stoltenberg: If Proven Baltic Pipeline Was Attacked, NATO's Response Will Be Determined | Reuters

It'll be a determined sternly worded letter. I'm unconvinced at this stage if it was Russia that the West would do anything important.

Like don't get me wrong, we've done a lot for Ukraine, but we could still do a lot more, as I've said before, the West is reactive to Russia rather than proactive and often that reaction isn't strong enough, that is why Russia does what it does, that is why Russia keeps pushing and pushing, they're testing our limits and we keep expanding our limits so Russia keeps (slowly) pushing them further. Countries are worried about escalation? Russia is slowly pushing us there like a boiling frog. Russia constantly talks about "red lines" and doesn't stick to them because Russia is a coward when confronted with real force, meanwhile I don't know what the West's red lines are apart from don't use nukes and don't attack us.

We're still afraid to send Taurus because of fear of "escalation" and we still won't send ATACMS (I'm not talking about the cluster version) because America isn't willing to take a hit to their stocks. We still won't be willing to take larger hits to our military capability in order to send Ukraine further essential quicker, in larger batches and quicker, because we're afraid that we may be attacked one day...by Russia (?). We'll still restrict what targets Ukraine is allowed to hit and still give Ukraine restricted range missiles (such as Storm Shadow having the capability of hitting 550km but we give them a restricted version of 250km). We'll still spend months of debate over the next thing to send Ukraine.

Lets not even mention the amount of Russian missiles landing near NATO borders, such as Romania recently, I'd even suggest we tell Russia that from now one we're going to shoot those missiles out the sky that get close to NATO borders or Russia blackmailing the world via the Black Sea, a sea which they do not own, threatening civilian ships supplying food to the world, an indirect attack on the world that needs that grain. We let them do that, we sat back and did barely anything about it, if it wasn't for Ukraine's own built naval drones (and Storm Shadow Tbf) then Russia would still be blackmailing and starving the world.

Russia blowing the Ukraine dam which is probably ecologically going to be just as devastating as a nuke for Ukraine had barely any reaction from the West, barely any words, no extra aid packages, it was silence and "oh we feel so bad for you, Ukraine". Defensive equipment is great but there is clearly still a reluctance from the West to send certain amounts of (and certain kinds of) offensive equipment, a combination of fear of escalation and fear of depleting their own stocks (can't for the life of me think of who else threatens the West other than China and they aren't ready to attack Taiwan yet but they will be in a few years when we're still busy aiding Ukraine).

Maybe if this turns out to be Russia we'll sanction more Oligarchs and send Ukraine some more ammo for their guns.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 11 October 2023